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		<title>By: Peter Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-1101</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When one attends a play and suspends disbelief, we still have an “authentic” experience of the story and actors.&lt;/i&gt;

No one is questioning that it is an authentic play.  So &lt;b&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/b&gt; a red herring.  This is exactly the same as the fake plastic lobster I mentioned above  -  sure, it&#039;s a &lt;b&gt;real&lt;/b&gt; fake plastic lobster, and the audience is attending a real play.   That they are drawn into the world created by the actors and the playwright doesn&#039;t have much to do with authenticity; it has to do with the quality of the acting and writing.

Where authenticity enters the question is whether the world created by the playwright is an authentic representation of what it purports to be.  If the play is set in the Belle Époque  then are the language, costumes, social manners, etc, authentic depictions of that period?   When you are drawn into the playwright&#039;s world is the experience you have similar to what you would actually have had in France at that time? 

 
&lt;i&gt;I just think that the emphasis on “authentic” - or that there even is one or that it matters - is a red herring. The authentic coffee in that charming old roadside diner was crap before Starbuck’s opened up down the street.&lt;/i&gt;

Both coffees are authentic.   Starbucks doesn&#039;t sell fake, simulated coffee.    So again, your example doesn&#039;t address the topic of authenticity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When one attends a play and suspends disbelief, we still have an “authentic” experience of the story and actors.</i></p>
<p>No one is questioning that it is an authentic play.  So <b>that&#8217;s</b> a red herring.  This is exactly the same as the fake plastic lobster I mentioned above  &#8211;  sure, it&#8217;s a <b>real</b> fake plastic lobster, and the audience is attending a real play.   That they are drawn into the world created by the actors and the playwright doesn&#8217;t have much to do with authenticity; it has to do with the quality of the acting and writing.</p>
<p>Where authenticity enters the question is whether the world created by the playwright is an authentic representation of what it purports to be.  If the play is set in the Belle Époque  then are the language, costumes, social manners, etc, authentic depictions of that period?   When you are drawn into the playwright&#8217;s world is the experience you have similar to what you would actually have had in France at that time? </p>
<p><i>I just think that the emphasis on “authentic” &#8211; or that there even is one or that it matters &#8211; is a red herring. The authentic coffee in that charming old roadside diner was crap before Starbuck’s opened up down the street.</i></p>
<p>Both coffees are authentic.   Starbucks doesn&#8217;t sell fake, simulated coffee.    So again, your example doesn&#8217;t address the topic of authenticity.</p>
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		<title>By: Marsha</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>Marsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This author also mentioned the Beatles song *Strawberry Fields* where the line &quot;nothing is real...&quot; is sung. He is talking about looking for *realness.* What is real? It is not as philosophical as it sounds. I walked into a high school auditorium the other evening for a Parent Meeting. I immediately sensed the people at this meeting were aware of themselves being &quot;seen.&quot; A sense of being on stage, or &quot;posing.&quot; These people were not being their real selves or you could say &quot;authentic selves.&quot; To me, it&#039;s simple, either something or someone is real or not. Disneyworld is a cartoon world. Nothing is real there. It is meant to be a place for people to escape reality, like a movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This author also mentioned the Beatles song *Strawberry Fields* where the line &#8220;nothing is real&#8230;&#8221; is sung. He is talking about looking for *realness.* What is real? It is not as philosophical as it sounds. I walked into a high school auditorium the other evening for a Parent Meeting. I immediately sensed the people at this meeting were aware of themselves being &#8220;seen.&#8221; A sense of being on stage, or &#8220;posing.&#8221; These people were not being their real selves or you could say &#8220;authentic selves.&#8221; To me, it&#8217;s simple, either something or someone is real or not. Disneyworld is a cartoon world. Nothing is real there. It is meant to be a place for people to escape reality, like a movie.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr Byrne and Ms Delkhaste...you both filled in the missing gaps. And I&#039;m only an hour plus from Staunton so might follow up with Mr Byrne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr Byrne and Ms Delkhaste&#8230;you both filled in the missing gaps. And I&#8217;m only an hour plus from Staunton so might follow up with Mr Byrne.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disneyland is a great example, as the author mentions - and what&#039;s wrong with Disneyland? I call it &quot;consensual artifice.&quot; Is anyone at Disneyland under the impression that the Matterhorn ride is the same as the Matterhorn mountain in the Alps? When one attends a play and suspends disbelief, we still have an &quot;authentic&quot; experience of the story and actors. Evidence of this is that when the play is over and the actors step out of character and bow, one is suddenly and uncomfortably reminded that we&#039;re back to reality, and one feels almost fooled for believing. 

I just think that the emphasis on &quot;authentic&quot; - or that there even is one or that it matters - is a red herring. The authentic coffee in that charming old roadside diner was crap before Starbuck&#039;s opened up down the street. I like the new inauthentic version - it tastes better because it&#039;s been adapted to my tastes and needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disneyland is a great example, as the author mentions &#8211; and what&#8217;s wrong with Disneyland? I call it &#8220;consensual artifice.&#8221; Is anyone at Disneyland under the impression that the Matterhorn ride is the same as the Matterhorn mountain in the Alps? When one attends a play and suspends disbelief, we still have an &#8220;authentic&#8221; experience of the story and actors. Evidence of this is that when the play is over and the actors step out of character and bow, one is suddenly and uncomfortably reminded that we&#8217;re back to reality, and one feels almost fooled for believing. </p>
<p>I just think that the emphasis on &#8220;authentic&#8221; &#8211; or that there even is one or that it matters &#8211; is a red herring. The authentic coffee in that charming old roadside diner was crap before Starbuck&#8217;s opened up down the street. I like the new inauthentic version &#8211; it tastes better because it&#8217;s been adapted to my tastes and needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard O. Byrne</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard O. Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Authentic&quot; is a snowshoe word that allows us to travel around an idea without getting too involved in its underlying supportive substance. The &quot;substance&quot; of this word lies, and is defined, in the inner values we hold and which allow us to use this adjective. One&#039;s held inner values are our touchstones when we use such descriptive words. This is why I suggested listeners read Longinus&#039; On the Sublime from the 1st century AD. He rightly states that if one wants great discourse one must speak from the inner values that humans hold and recognize. I might add this is true if one wishes to find &quot;greatness&quot; in any human endeavor, be it rhetoric, architecture, dance or baseball. &quot;Authentic&quot; we will all judge, probably differently, by the inner value system we have in place and the effort we have taken to hone these values. Understanding our the visual values passed to us by our architectural heritage is thus vital to understanding the &quot;Olive Garden&quot; dilemma this broadcast spoke of.

I also suggested reading David Pye&#039;s The Nature and Art of Workmanship as it gives one the framework and vocabulary one needs to comprehend the built world and to shape one&#039;s own thoughts about authenticity and a host of related adjective concepts.

You may sense something not authentic about the &quot;Olive Garden&quot; but you will not be able to articulate what you feel without coming to understand and be able to use the vocabulary of the visual world...i.e., to coin a word to become &quot;visuate&quot;....able to see in a critical way. This is one of many reasons I suggest Longinus and Pye. Ours is a visually dense nation that now daily ponders what is wrong during its 2 hour each way commute to the new origami world it has embraced. 
Take off the snowshoes - you won&#039;t get cold feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Authentic&#8221; is a snowshoe word that allows us to travel around an idea without getting too involved in its underlying supportive substance. The &#8220;substance&#8221; of this word lies, and is defined, in the inner values we hold and which allow us to use this adjective. One&#8217;s held inner values are our touchstones when we use such descriptive words. This is why I suggested listeners read Longinus&#8217; On the Sublime from the 1st century AD. He rightly states that if one wants great discourse one must speak from the inner values that humans hold and recognize. I might add this is true if one wishes to find &#8220;greatness&#8221; in any human endeavor, be it rhetoric, architecture, dance or baseball. &#8220;Authentic&#8221; we will all judge, probably differently, by the inner value system we have in place and the effort we have taken to hone these values. Understanding our the visual values passed to us by our architectural heritage is thus vital to understanding the &#8220;Olive Garden&#8221; dilemma this broadcast spoke of.</p>
<p>I also suggested reading David Pye&#8217;s The Nature and Art of Workmanship as it gives one the framework and vocabulary one needs to comprehend the built world and to shape one&#8217;s own thoughts about authenticity and a host of related adjective concepts.</p>
<p>You may sense something not authentic about the &#8220;Olive Garden&#8221; but you will not be able to articulate what you feel without coming to understand and be able to use the vocabulary of the visual world&#8230;i.e., to coin a word to become &#8220;visuate&#8221;&#8230;.able to see in a critical way. This is one of many reasons I suggest Longinus and Pye. Ours is a visually dense nation that now daily ponders what is wrong during its 2 hour each way commute to the new origami world it has embraced.<br />
Take off the snowshoes &#8211; you won&#8217;t get cold feet.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Delkhaste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia Delkhaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too was in the car and did not get the name of the cabinetmaker.  I had heard about the book that he mentioned.  I believe the book is &quot;The Nature &amp; Aesthetics of Design&quot; by David Pye.  The caller did refer to an ancient Greek philosopher whose name was unclear.  I also would like to know the name of this philosopher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too was in the car and did not get the name of the cabinetmaker.  I had heard about the book that he mentioned.  I believe the book is &#8220;The Nature &amp; Aesthetics of Design&#8221; by David Pye.  The caller did refer to an ancient Greek philosopher whose name was unclear.  I also would like to know the name of this philosopher.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-829</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember the name of the cabinetmaker who called in and talked about someone named Pye (I think). Believe he is a classic scholar and made various refs I missed since I was driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember the name of the cabinetmaker who called in and talked about someone named Pye (I think). Believe he is a classic scholar and made various refs I missed since I was driving.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;When you really look, isn’t everything authentic, even the cheesy theme restaurants, cable television shows, and plastic suburbs?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Obviously, but that&#039;s not the point.   

Obviously, the fake plastic lobster hanging in a chain seafood restaurant in Pennsylvania is a &lt;b&gt;real&lt;/b&gt; fake plastic lobster.  But if its purpose is to conjure up nautical feelings of little fishing boats bobbing at anchor in the rocky harbor of some Maine seaside village, it would be interesting to see if those feelings bear any resemblance to what you might feel if you were actually in a Maine seaside village.

The question is whether someone who has a brief or indirect exposure to something -  a nature video of Yosemite, for instance, or when a city dweller drives out to the country for a day, does that bear any resemblance to the real thing?

I&#039;m an avid gardener and I&#039;ve had my hands in the dirt since childhood (I&#039;m in my 50&#039;s) I grow pears, apples, blueberries, raspberries, and many vegetables and herbs.  So I have a direct experience of the textures, the colors, the smells, the sounds, the tastes, and the worries, the anticipation and the elation and dejection of gardening.  Other people who have never gardened read the words I just wrote above, and it conjures up SOMETHING, but how closely does it compare with the actual experience of gardening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;When you really look, isn’t everything authentic, even the cheesy theme restaurants, cable television shows, and plastic suburbs?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Obviously, but that&#8217;s not the point.   </p>
<p>Obviously, the fake plastic lobster hanging in a chain seafood restaurant in Pennsylvania is a <b>real</b> fake plastic lobster.  But if its purpose is to conjure up nautical feelings of little fishing boats bobbing at anchor in the rocky harbor of some Maine seaside village, it would be interesting to see if those feelings bear any resemblance to what you might feel if you were actually in a Maine seaside village.</p>
<p>The question is whether someone who has a brief or indirect exposure to something &#8211;  a nature video of Yosemite, for instance, or when a city dweller drives out to the country for a day, does that bear any resemblance to the real thing?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an avid gardener and I&#8217;ve had my hands in the dirt since childhood (I&#8217;m in my 50&#8217;s) I grow pears, apples, blueberries, raspberries, and many vegetables and herbs.  So I have a direct experience of the textures, the colors, the smells, the sounds, the tastes, and the worries, the anticipation and the elation and dejection of gardening.  Other people who have never gardened read the words I just wrote above, and it conjures up SOMETHING, but how closely does it compare with the actual experience of gardening?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Rubenstein</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Rubenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice topic. Surprisingly shallow discussion. I got a lot from reading Thomas de Zengotita&#039;s &quot;Mediated&quot;, which delves into the postmodern aspect that is becoming the basis for our sense of &#039;reality&#039;. Reality is a mental construct, but there is more and less direct perception. That latter is mediated. According to de Zengotita, we are all method actors these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice topic. Surprisingly shallow discussion. I got a lot from reading Thomas de Zengotita&#8217;s &#8220;Mediated&#8221;, which delves into the postmodern aspect that is becoming the basis for our sense of &#8216;reality&#8217;. Reality is a mental construct, but there is more and less direct perception. That latter is mediated. According to de Zengotita, we are all method actors these days.</p>
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		<title>By: k.a.m.</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>k.a.m.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The song &quot;Grey Seal&quot; by Elton John from his &quot;Goodbye Yellow Brick&quot; Album immediately comes to mind when thinking about all this authentic stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The song &#8220;Grey Seal&#8221; by Elton John from his &#8220;Goodbye Yellow Brick&#8221; Album immediately comes to mind when thinking about all this authentic stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe our antennae for authenticity in the world are always up because we walk through it with a constant suspicion about our own authenticity.  It may be a dilemma of desire, which has run amok in the advertising age.  We imagine a time before intrusive advertisement and believe that, one, people simply desired less, and, two, that desire was generated mostly from within and in response to a smaller, more knowable, more essential environment.  With the saturation and sophistication of modern advertisement we now have to intervene upon ourselves and wonder if we actually want what we&#039;re made to desire lest our identity lose its location.
  
I think desire comprises much, if not most, of our social identity.  The world knows me by what I want--true love,  jump shot, corner office, cheese fries.   So if the light of my desire is fueled in part by Madison Ave, then I can&#039;t help but wonder what the world sees when it sees me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe our antennae for authenticity in the world are always up because we walk through it with a constant suspicion about our own authenticity.  It may be a dilemma of desire, which has run amok in the advertising age.  We imagine a time before intrusive advertisement and believe that, one, people simply desired less, and, two, that desire was generated mostly from within and in response to a smaller, more knowable, more essential environment.  With the saturation and sophistication of modern advertisement we now have to intervene upon ourselves and wonder if we actually want what we&#8217;re made to desire lest our identity lose its location.</p>
<p>I think desire comprises much, if not most, of our social identity.  The world knows me by what I want&#8211;true love,  jump shot, corner office, cheese fries.   So if the light of my desire is fueled in part by Madison Ave, then I can&#8217;t help but wonder what the world sees when it sees me.</p>
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		<title>By: James Holtzman</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>James Holtzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Venturi wrote on the Los Vegas strip.  The acceptance of popular culture as the new high art.  The opposite of Christopher Alexander&#039;s search for meaning through recognizable pattern language.  We will never be at peace within ourselves without reaching out to master and shape our environment into beautiful and soul satisfiying environments wether through machine or man made in origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Venturi wrote on the Los Vegas strip.  The acceptance of popular culture as the new high art.  The opposite of Christopher Alexander&#8217;s search for meaning through recognizable pattern language.  We will never be at peace within ourselves without reaching out to master and shape our environment into beautiful and soul satisfiying environments wether through machine or man made in origin.</p>
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		<title>By: Lon Ponschock</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Lon Ponschock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I encourage Tom Ashbrook to follow up on this program with
Christian Lander, author of &quot;Stuff White People Like.&quot;

Though there are likely mostly white people that are interested in this authenticity, the author of this work on authenticity will disavow any culpability as a yuppie for the lack of authenticity which he craves.

In other words, Christian Lander bebunks very humorously
the foibles of upper middle class white people both online in a blog and as a newly published book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I encourage Tom Ashbrook to follow up on this program with<br />
Christian Lander, author of &#8220;Stuff White People Like.&#8221;</p>
<p>Though there are likely mostly white people that are interested in this authenticity, the author of this work on authenticity will disavow any culpability as a yuppie for the lack of authenticity which he craves.</p>
<p>In other words, Christian Lander bebunks very humorously<br />
the foibles of upper middle class white people both online in a blog and as a newly published book.</p>
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		<title>By: Beppy</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator>Beppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the most tragic thing about our
&quot;phony&quot; infused culture, is that our emotional
life also takes on an artificiality. I see
people around me assuming the personas of
TV 
personalities, and taking their cues from
seeing others responding to tragedies--this hurricane
or that bombing--I think in our TV dominated culture,
that as a society many of us no longer recognize
authentic feelings, authentic realtionships.

The solution is to have enough self awareness to
KNOW when your are succumbing to the fakeness--
it is a constant challenge! I applaud the author
for his writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the most tragic thing about our<br />
&#8220;phony&#8221; infused culture, is that our emotional<br />
life also takes on an artificiality. I see<br />
people around me assuming the personas of<br />
TV<br />
personalities, and taking their cues from<br />
seeing others responding to tragedies&#8211;this hurricane<br />
or that bombing&#8211;I think in our TV dominated culture,<br />
that as a society many of us no longer recognize<br />
authentic feelings, authentic realtionships.</p>
<p>The solution is to have enough self awareness to<br />
KNOW when your are succumbing to the fakeness&#8211;<br />
it is a constant challenge! I applaud the author<br />
for his writing.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love is real. The only place we as humans can find the inherently authentic, the real, is in the present moment and in relationship with the other. With another person. In that interaction, in that moment, the present is available and accessible. It seems what this discussion is all about is the &#039;window dressing&#039;, the trappings of life and scoiety... how we dress, the aprearance of our built environments, our cities and towns, our villages and shopping malls, our appartment complexes and homes. This is all beside the main point. As difficult as it is, living in the moment is the only way to find the real, the authentic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love is real. The only place we as humans can find the inherently authentic, the real, is in the present moment and in relationship with the other. With another person. In that interaction, in that moment, the present is available and accessible. It seems what this discussion is all about is the &#8216;window dressing&#8217;, the trappings of life and scoiety&#8230; how we dress, the aprearance of our built environments, our cities and towns, our villages and shopping malls, our appartment complexes and homes. This is all beside the main point. As difficult as it is, living in the moment is the only way to find the real, the authentic.</p>
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		<title>By: Monticello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monticello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the recent On Point program about the late Prof. Randy Pausch should be the touchstone for today&#039;s topic. As Prof. Pausch so aptly put it (and here I paraphrase), &quot;reality is what you get when you don&#039;t get what you want.&quot;

Maybe it was Prof. Pausch&#039;s walk with his own mortality that brought such down-to-earth authenticity. Not that we should ever become advocates of nihilism, but perhaps the paradox of being able to experience &quot;the authentic,&quot; comes only when we too embrace our own mortality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the recent On Point program about the late Prof. Randy Pausch should be the touchstone for today&#8217;s topic. As Prof. Pausch so aptly put it (and here I paraphrase), &#8220;reality is what you get when you don&#8217;t get what you want.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe it was Prof. Pausch&#8217;s walk with his own mortality that brought such down-to-earth authenticity. Not that we should ever become advocates of nihilism, but perhaps the paradox of being able to experience &#8220;the authentic,&#8221; comes only when we too embrace our own mortality.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-Authentic Indian Jewelry....in the 70&#039;s I owned a Indian jewelry / supply store in Santa Fe. At that time there was much concern, especially among Native Americans,   as to if the jewelry in stores being sold as &quot;Indian&quot; was authentic. This concern resulted in N.M. of the passing of a law stating that the labeling of any jewelry as &quot;Indian&quot; when there was doubt, could result in serious fines. Of course no one can tell who made a piece of jewelry unless you were looking over the shoulder of the craftsperson while they were constructing it. Thus, it was much easier to label everything in our store as &quot;non Indian&quot; and be safe, even if we knew otherwise. I&#039;m sure that&#039;s the explanation as to why the stores in the Grand Canyon are doing the same.
           I should also note that we sold numerous pieces of imported jewelry to Native Americans who would take the imports and sell them to tourists as &quot;authentic.&quot; I always laughed and chalked one up to the Native Americans and that 70&#039;s saying &quot;what goes around, comes around.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-Authentic Indian Jewelry&#8230;.in the 70&#8217;s I owned a Indian jewelry / supply store in Santa Fe. At that time there was much concern, especially among Native Americans,   as to if the jewelry in stores being sold as &#8220;Indian&#8221; was authentic. This concern resulted in N.M. of the passing of a law stating that the labeling of any jewelry as &#8220;Indian&#8221; when there was doubt, could result in serious fines. Of course no one can tell who made a piece of jewelry unless you were looking over the shoulder of the craftsperson while they were constructing it. Thus, it was much easier to label everything in our store as &#8220;non Indian&#8221; and be safe, even if we knew otherwise. I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s the explanation as to why the stores in the Grand Canyon are doing the same.<br />
           I should also note that we sold numerous pieces of imported jewelry to Native Americans who would take the imports and sell them to tourists as &#8220;authentic.&#8221; I always laughed and chalked one up to the Native Americans and that 70&#8217;s saying &#8220;what goes around, comes around.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard O. Byrne</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard O. Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the question to ask is not if something is &quot;authenic&quot; but are we capable of even judging something and that requires that we have taken the time to know what it is we judge. You cannot measure anything unless you have a reference point and that is the crux of the question when one asks if something is &quot;real.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the question to ask is not if something is &#8220;authenic&#8221; but are we capable of even judging something and that requires that we have taken the time to know what it is we judge. You cannot measure anything unless you have a reference point and that is the crux of the question when one asks if something is &#8220;real.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thrilled to hear this topic on the radio and can&#039;t wait to read Richard Todd&#039;s book.  I have lived in Boston, San Francisco, Oslo, rural Norway, rural Georgia, and now rural New Hampshire.  

Authenticity and realism are a topic on my mind Every day.  So much so, that I began blogging about it recently.  I have pleasantly discovered that you can find authenticty in gardens, in the woods, in rural landscapes, as well as in the city, in the mall, in McDonald&#039;s...anywhere that you are actually opening your eyes to look with a pure mind.  My little kids keep me going on the &quot;real&quot; track, because it comes so naturally for little tykes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thrilled to hear this topic on the radio and can&#8217;t wait to read Richard Todd&#8217;s book.  I have lived in Boston, San Francisco, Oslo, rural Norway, rural Georgia, and now rural New Hampshire.  </p>
<p>Authenticity and realism are a topic on my mind Every day.  So much so, that I began blogging about it recently.  I have pleasantly discovered that you can find authenticty in gardens, in the woods, in rural landscapes, as well as in the city, in the mall, in McDonald&#8217;s&#8230;anywhere that you are actually opening your eyes to look with a pure mind.  My little kids keep me going on the &#8220;real&#8221; track, because it comes so naturally for little tykes!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/08/what-is-real/comment-page-1#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion reminds me of &quot;Zen &amp; the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance&quot; in which the the main character ponders the meaning of &quot;Quality&quot; to the point that he ends up in a mental hospital. Cat Stevens&#039; &quot;Foreigner Suite&quot; contains the line &quot;there are no words that I can use because the meanings are left for you to choose.&quot; What is &#039;authentic&#039; depends entirely on where and how finely we draw the lines of its meaning and each of us has our own definition. 

Once while visiting a local Chinese restaurant one acquaintance informed me that it wasn&#039;t authentic. According to his standards one had to go to a small village in China to get &#039;authentic&#039; Chinese food. Even that served in the larger cities in China wasn&#039;t &#039;authentic&#039;, it was contaminated by catering to the tastes of tourists. Whether Olive Garden or Joe&#039;s Eats, a thing is what it is. You choose whether you enjoy it or not. Those who make that choice without pretense are (to me) authentic persons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion reminds me of &#8220;Zen &amp; the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance&#8221; in which the the main character ponders the meaning of &#8220;Quality&#8221; to the point that he ends up in a mental hospital. Cat Stevens&#8217; &#8220;Foreigner Suite&#8221; contains the line &#8220;there are no words that I can use because the meanings are left for you to choose.&#8221; What is &#8216;authentic&#8217; depends entirely on where and how finely we draw the lines of its meaning and each of us has our own definition. </p>
<p>Once while visiting a local Chinese restaurant one acquaintance informed me that it wasn&#8217;t authentic. According to his standards one had to go to a small village in China to get &#8216;authentic&#8217; Chinese food. Even that served in the larger cities in China wasn&#8217;t &#8216;authentic&#8217;, it was contaminated by catering to the tastes of tourists. Whether Olive Garden or Joe&#8217;s Eats, a thing is what it is. You choose whether you enjoy it or not. Those who make that choice without pretense are (to me) authentic persons.</p>
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