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	<title>Comments on: Issues &#8216;08: Education</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan K.</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2444</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work at a unique charter school which has a focus in the Medical Sciences.  We are unique in that we are innovative and offer choice, yet we have a good working relationship with our district.  We choose to not compete in areas like teacher pay and book adoption for our academic classes.  Innovation is great for education; it seems that the real problems come with the resistance that can come from within when we try to change the culture and/or infrastructure of a school in order to try to improve what we do.  I agree with both, that those who are not fit to teach should find another job... but by which standard do we measure &quot;good teaching?&quot;  We cannot offer a merit pay model until we can fairly assess what is and is not acceptable.  Find a fair and standardized assessment and I will be on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at a unique charter school which has a focus in the Medical Sciences.  We are unique in that we are innovative and offer choice, yet we have a good working relationship with our district.  We choose to not compete in areas like teacher pay and book adoption for our academic classes.  Innovation is great for education; it seems that the real problems come with the resistance that can come from within when we try to change the culture and/or infrastructure of a school in order to try to improve what we do.  I agree with both, that those who are not fit to teach should find another job&#8230; but by which standard do we measure &#8220;good teaching?&#8221;  We cannot offer a merit pay model until we can fairly assess what is and is not acceptable.  Find a fair and standardized assessment and I will be on board.</p>
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		<title>By: Don A.</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2382</link>
		<dc:creator>Don A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Numerous studies have shown that performance in school is not primarily dependent on testing, teacher salaries, class size, funding per pupil, etc.  The most important factors are the socio-economic status of the parents and the presence of two parents in the home of the student.  These two factors are interrelated: the socio-economic class is largely dependent on the presence of two parents.
     The solution to the problem then is to have two parent families.  How can this be accomplished?  What if the fathers of illegitimate children were forced to financially support their children.  This would have two effects: The children would be better off financially and perhaps the fathers would participate in the family since they would be supporting them.  Exactly what is required for better students.  Problem solved!
     Otherwise, the same problem is going to occur in future generations and will get worse geometrically.  Today 20% of all children are born out of wedlock and 70% of minority children.  This is where the problem lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Numerous studies have shown that performance in school is not primarily dependent on testing, teacher salaries, class size, funding per pupil, etc.  The most important factors are the socio-economic status of the parents and the presence of two parents in the home of the student.  These two factors are interrelated: the socio-economic class is largely dependent on the presence of two parents.<br />
     The solution to the problem then is to have two parent families.  How can this be accomplished?  What if the fathers of illegitimate children were forced to financially support their children.  This would have two effects: The children would be better off financially and perhaps the fathers would participate in the family since they would be supporting them.  Exactly what is required for better students.  Problem solved!<br />
     Otherwise, the same problem is going to occur in future generations and will get worse geometrically.  Today 20% of all children are born out of wedlock and 70% of minority children.  This is where the problem lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2380</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to hear an hour in which a lot of the silliness of the election was left behind unfortunately it wasn&#039;t in this comment section but I guess that would be asking for too much. 


As for the topic at hand three things stick out

1. Most importantly both candidates realize that education is very crucial to our national economy and well being and that No Child Left Behind needs to be restructured. They take different ways to get there Obama&#039;s plan is more top down and McCain&#039;s is more bottom up  but in the end I think they want to and would accomplish the same thing. 

2. The $4000 towards college for community service is a great idea; unfortunately it&#039;s nowhere near enough though to really make a difference for someone who couldn&#039;t afford or would have trouble affording college to begin with as Obama seems to be claiming. 

3. I don&#039;t know whether or not I like the idea of vouchers but they do seem to be going in the right direction in terms of addressing the importance of leveling the playing field. They may or may not be the key but somehow we need to make private schools available to more than just the rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to hear an hour in which a lot of the silliness of the election was left behind unfortunately it wasn&#8217;t in this comment section but I guess that would be asking for too much. </p>
<p>As for the topic at hand three things stick out</p>
<p>1. Most importantly both candidates realize that education is very crucial to our national economy and well being and that No Child Left Behind needs to be restructured. They take different ways to get there Obama&#8217;s plan is more top down and McCain&#8217;s is more bottom up  but in the end I think they want to and would accomplish the same thing. </p>
<p>2. The $4000 towards college for community service is a great idea; unfortunately it&#8217;s nowhere near enough though to really make a difference for someone who couldn&#8217;t afford or would have trouble affording college to begin with as Obama seems to be claiming. </p>
<p>3. I don&#8217;t know whether or not I like the idea of vouchers but they do seem to be going in the right direction in terms of addressing the importance of leveling the playing field. They may or may not be the key but somehow we need to make private schools available to more than just the rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett White</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2379</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School choice is a joke.  Many studetns who attend &quot;failing&quot; schools do so because surrounding schools who are &quot;on the bubble&quot; with their test scores do not want to risk falling into the same &quot;failing&quot; category!  What will the politicians suggest when a majority of schools are failing to reach 100% come 2014?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School choice is a joke.  Many studetns who attend &#8220;failing&#8221; schools do so because surrounding schools who are &#8220;on the bubble&#8221; with their test scores do not want to risk falling into the same &#8220;failing&#8221; category!  What will the politicians suggest when a majority of schools are failing to reach 100% come 2014?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Nancy Clardy&#039;s last comment. I think your comments are amazing but I doubt if that would actually happen due to our selfishness and pride as humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Nancy Clardy&#8217;s last comment. I think your comments are amazing but I doubt if that would actually happen due to our selfishness and pride as humans.</p>
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		<title>By: G Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>G Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As regards Charter Schools, I maintain a healthy skepticism when it comes to applying the free market model to schools. Choosing a school is hardly akin to choosing where to buy milk or gasoline. Further, one need only look at the health care system and the financial markets to see this model is highly flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As regards Charter Schools, I maintain a healthy skepticism when it comes to applying the free market model to schools. Choosing a school is hardly akin to choosing where to buy milk or gasoline. Further, one need only look at the health care system and the financial markets to see this model is highly flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just curious to Know how the candidates would lower the cost of text books which our schools change every semester for a book that is just the same as the last one used the previous semester; all in the name of a new edition. Also how do we benefit from the privatization of the school loans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just curious to Know how the candidates would lower the cost of text books which our schools change every semester for a book that is just the same as the last one used the previous semester; all in the name of a new edition. Also how do we benefit from the privatization of the school loans?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t we, the greatest nation on earth for nearly a century now, make PUBLIC education for all children equal to the fabulous education available to children in Alaska because of taxes from oil revenues there.  (Alaska is wealthy in public services like a nation unto itself , from oil revenues, as is Saudi Arabia, and also some of the small tribal areas in the lower 48 from casino revenues.)  [Let&#039;s compare the quality of education in a public school from inner city Chicago with the quality of the same equivalent graduation class from Alaska.
Mary A. Pierce
670 W. Dowling Rd.
Dowling Michigan
269-721-8976
WVGR- Grand Rapids, Michigan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t we, the greatest nation on earth for nearly a century now, make PUBLIC education for all children equal to the fabulous education available to children in Alaska because of taxes from oil revenues there.  (Alaska is wealthy in public services like a nation unto itself , from oil revenues, as is Saudi Arabia, and also some of the small tribal areas in the lower 48 from casino revenues.)  [Let&#8217;s compare the quality of education in a public school from inner city Chicago with the quality of the same equivalent graduation class from Alaska.<br />
Mary A. Pierce<br />
670 W. Dowling Rd.<br />
Dowling Michigan<br />
269-721-8976<br />
WVGR- Grand Rapids, Michigan</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2367</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it ironic that we all agree on the importance of an education but when it comes time to elect a president much of this country sees someone who is well educated as an elitist rather than someone who valued getting a good education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it ironic that we all agree on the importance of an education but when it comes time to elect a president much of this country sees someone who is well educated as an elitist rather than someone who valued getting a good education.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Clardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Clardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we want to fix the public school system and offer every child an equal education then we need to reform the way schools are funded. Instead of property tax dollars funding the local public school, which leads to unequal education based on regional incomes, all property tax dollars should go into a single education fund and get distributed evenly throughout the state. Then, if parents are still disatisfied with their local public school, they can send their child to a private school at their own expense. As long as public schools are funded by the tax base of their local neighborhood, schools will be uneven in their resources and their education. Many people in upper middle class, and wealthy neighborhoods will balk at this suggestion. Why should THEY pay for poor kids&#039; education? Because these poor kids grow into poor adults who are more likely to need welfare due to poor education. In the long run, it costs the American public more to support poorly educated children. These children grow up needing more public services than children with a fully funded, well rounded education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we want to fix the public school system and offer every child an equal education then we need to reform the way schools are funded. Instead of property tax dollars funding the local public school, which leads to unequal education based on regional incomes, all property tax dollars should go into a single education fund and get distributed evenly throughout the state. Then, if parents are still disatisfied with their local public school, they can send their child to a private school at their own expense. As long as public schools are funded by the tax base of their local neighborhood, schools will be uneven in their resources and their education. Many people in upper middle class, and wealthy neighborhoods will balk at this suggestion. Why should THEY pay for poor kids&#8217; education? Because these poor kids grow into poor adults who are more likely to need welfare due to poor education. In the long run, it costs the American public more to support poorly educated children. These children grow up needing more public services than children with a fully funded, well rounded education.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Clardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Clardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in response to Cheryl Champy&#039;s comment above; You mention how your son got 100% on a test with &#039;common sense&#039; answers and another child got 60%. Your assumption is that the parent&#039;s failed to MAKE their child learn this information or to study. Perhaps you might consider that the child who made 60% has a learning disability you know nothing about. Perhaps you might consider this child has a developmental disability and that 60% represents a great deal of effort by his parents and himself. Perhaps you can consider that not every child is blessed with a high intellect or parents with a high intellect. Perhaps you could keep your condescending judgements to a minimum and allow for gratitude that you and your child will never know the challenges the other student and his family face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in response to Cheryl Champy&#8217;s comment above; You mention how your son got 100% on a test with &#8216;common sense&#8217; answers and another child got 60%. Your assumption is that the parent&#8217;s failed to MAKE their child learn this information or to study. Perhaps you might consider that the child who made 60% has a learning disability you know nothing about. Perhaps you might consider this child has a developmental disability and that 60% represents a great deal of effort by his parents and himself. Perhaps you can consider that not every child is blessed with a high intellect or parents with a high intellect. Perhaps you could keep your condescending judgements to a minimum and allow for gratitude that you and your child will never know the challenges the other student and his family face.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stucliff</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Stucliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much talk about testing and evaluating the students and teachers, when are they going to start testing and evaluating the administrators?

Why is it that someone is not called to explain when they claim that the schools are being &quot;dumbed down&quot;? Does anyone have any proof?

In today&#039;s broadcast, someone mentioned that there was a serious loss of $$$ between the tax payer and the school.  Why whs this not questioned for clarification? 

These things keep me awake at night...  (-:

Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much talk about testing and evaluating the students and teachers, when are they going to start testing and evaluating the administrators?</p>
<p>Why is it that someone is not called to explain when they claim that the schools are being &#8220;dumbed down&#8221;? Does anyone have any proof?</p>
<p>In today&#8217;s broadcast, someone mentioned that there was a serious loss of $$$ between the tax payer and the school.  Why whs this not questioned for clarification? </p>
<p>These things keep me awake at night&#8230;  (-:</p>
<p>Gary</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Champy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl Champy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A student can&#039;t pass a test to show the shools are performing if the parents won&#039;t work with the students or schools.  When you have a high rate of parents who don&#039;t care then obviously the schools will not perform as adequately proficient.  How can a school make a child learn when the parents take no interest in being involved in that process.  A teacher can go to the child&#039;s house to make sure they study their spelling words to take the test by Friday, or understand an memorize the Social Studies terms for that test or other such tests.  Teachers can&#039;t go to the students houses to do their science projects and make sure the reason they do them is to understand the content of the subject matter.  How can a child pass a test if they don&#039;t understand the content because they didn&#039;t do their homework or projects that would have aided them in learning the material.  Teachers have so much material to cover and little time to do it in.  They can&#039;t go home with your children.  Maybe if some of these lazy free riders would get off of their lazy butts and go into the schools and volunteer to work with some of the struggling students then that would help some.  Instead they want to complain that their kids aren&#039;t getting a the education they deserve.  Well you get out of it what you put into it.  If you put nothing into it then you will get nothing out of it.  Pretty simple math.  Our culture does not value education, they would rather be worried about what $100 sneakers their parents are going to buy that they can&#039;t afford instead of valuing and getting an education so they can buy their own $100 sneakers.  My child should not have to sit in a class of kids who don&#039;t study or parents don&#039;t hold them accountable and work with them which in turns holds my child back because the teacher is constantly having to go over the same work.  Get off of your welfare butts and go volunteer in the schools and then you will have reason to complain after to know and see what is exactly going on in the school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A student can&#8217;t pass a test to show the shools are performing if the parents won&#8217;t work with the students or schools.  When you have a high rate of parents who don&#8217;t care then obviously the schools will not perform as adequately proficient.  How can a school make a child learn when the parents take no interest in being involved in that process.  A teacher can go to the child&#8217;s house to make sure they study their spelling words to take the test by Friday, or understand an memorize the Social Studies terms for that test or other such tests.  Teachers can&#8217;t go to the students houses to do their science projects and make sure the reason they do them is to understand the content of the subject matter.  How can a child pass a test if they don&#8217;t understand the content because they didn&#8217;t do their homework or projects that would have aided them in learning the material.  Teachers have so much material to cover and little time to do it in.  They can&#8217;t go home with your children.  Maybe if some of these lazy free riders would get off of their lazy butts and go into the schools and volunteer to work with some of the struggling students then that would help some.  Instead they want to complain that their kids aren&#8217;t getting a the education they deserve.  Well you get out of it what you put into it.  If you put nothing into it then you will get nothing out of it.  Pretty simple math.  Our culture does not value education, they would rather be worried about what $100 sneakers their parents are going to buy that they can&#8217;t afford instead of valuing and getting an education so they can buy their own $100 sneakers.  My child should not have to sit in a class of kids who don&#8217;t study or parents don&#8217;t hold them accountable and work with them which in turns holds my child back because the teacher is constantly having to go over the same work.  Get off of your welfare butts and go volunteer in the schools and then you will have reason to complain after to know and see what is exactly going on in the school.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2344</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed a very important point on the show. Public schools are not run by aliens from another planet or foreigners who secretly push a bureaucratic agenda to stall all education processes in the US. This is a view point that is being pushed by conservatives. They are trying to set up &quot;public&quot; schools as ineffective and cumbersome. This is the same smoke and mirror strategy that has been applied to government and the evils of big government. Under the conservative agenda more choice will be offered much the same idea that is the foundation of the Medicare choice program that has created so much confusion among the elderly. 

Public schools are run by people who are part of our communities. The principals and teachers live with us and their kids attend the same schools. The government should encourage and fund community input and participation in the development of public schools. Folks just can&#039;t pick and and take their kids 10-20 miles further just because their local schools are not performing.

If charter schools work better then apply the same strategies to public schools. If a school is not performing, then let&#039;s get parents and teachers together and empower them to make changes. Demonizing principals and teachers and setting up public schools as an icon of underperformance somehow separately from the communities they serve is moronic. It plays well into the strategy of Republican education policy of divide and conquer.

I want my public school to be better and I want my government which I have elected to represent me and collect my taxes to use that money to make the school in my community work better -- not fund entrepreneurs that provide choice at more cost and distance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed a very important point on the show. Public schools are not run by aliens from another planet or foreigners who secretly push a bureaucratic agenda to stall all education processes in the US. This is a view point that is being pushed by conservatives. They are trying to set up &#8220;public&#8221; schools as ineffective and cumbersome. This is the same smoke and mirror strategy that has been applied to government and the evils of big government. Under the conservative agenda more choice will be offered much the same idea that is the foundation of the Medicare choice program that has created so much confusion among the elderly. </p>
<p>Public schools are run by people who are part of our communities. The principals and teachers live with us and their kids attend the same schools. The government should encourage and fund community input and participation in the development of public schools. Folks just can&#8217;t pick and and take their kids 10-20 miles further just because their local schools are not performing.</p>
<p>If charter schools work better then apply the same strategies to public schools. If a school is not performing, then let&#8217;s get parents and teachers together and empower them to make changes. Demonizing principals and teachers and setting up public schools as an icon of underperformance somehow separately from the communities they serve is moronic. It plays well into the strategy of Republican education policy of divide and conquer.</p>
<p>I want my public school to be better and I want my government which I have elected to represent me and collect my taxes to use that money to make the school in my community work better &#8212; not fund entrepreneurs that provide choice at more cost and distance.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Champy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl Champy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As stated above (and I am a so-called middle class white Republican) I fault the parents for most of the cost.  We live in a 70% poverty area and our PTO has to supply the school toilet paper.  We have a lower class school in one sense but because of that we are entitled to special things as well.  We have smart boards in many classes and other new technical items.  However, the teacher can only do so much in a day.

The schools are now requiring special needs children in the mainstream classes and the teachers are being made to adapt to teaching these children (no matter how much extra time is required) as well as teach the other 30 students and make sure they all get it. Many of our parents at Redcliffe are nonworking parents and can sit outside the school for an hour or two congregating with other parents in the parking lot while they could spend that time in the school volunteering to work with the students or assist the teachers. 

I work a full time job, volunteer on the PTO as much as possible, take my children to sports activities and still find time to work with them on their studies. It is not the job of the schools to raise our children.  If a parent is unemployed then they should be required while unemployed to work at a school a minimum of hours during the week in order to receive benefits.  Especially free lunch and other things their children get while I am at work paying for these benefits.

I am tired of sinking tax dollars into a sinking school system where the parents don&#039;t give a darn.  We live in a poverty area, but because of that we get special things and the parents still don&#039;t give a darn.  You can&#039;t use poverty as an excuse when the resources are there, programs provided by the school for the parents are there, and the parents just won&#039;t participate. Is that the government&#039;s fault?

I am for the McCain Vouchers which I never thought I would be because I want my children in a learning environment where the parents will participate and the kids are willing to listen and learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As stated above (and I am a so-called middle class white Republican) I fault the parents for most of the cost.  We live in a 70% poverty area and our PTO has to supply the school toilet paper.  We have a lower class school in one sense but because of that we are entitled to special things as well.  We have smart boards in many classes and other new technical items.  However, the teacher can only do so much in a day.</p>
<p>The schools are now requiring special needs children in the mainstream classes and the teachers are being made to adapt to teaching these children (no matter how much extra time is required) as well as teach the other 30 students and make sure they all get it. Many of our parents at Redcliffe are nonworking parents and can sit outside the school for an hour or two congregating with other parents in the parking lot while they could spend that time in the school volunteering to work with the students or assist the teachers. </p>
<p>I work a full time job, volunteer on the PTO as much as possible, take my children to sports activities and still find time to work with them on their studies. It is not the job of the schools to raise our children.  If a parent is unemployed then they should be required while unemployed to work at a school a minimum of hours during the week in order to receive benefits.  Especially free lunch and other things their children get while I am at work paying for these benefits.</p>
<p>I am tired of sinking tax dollars into a sinking school system where the parents don&#8217;t give a darn.  We live in a poverty area, but because of that we get special things and the parents still don&#8217;t give a darn.  You can&#8217;t use poverty as an excuse when the resources are there, programs provided by the school for the parents are there, and the parents just won&#8217;t participate. Is that the government&#8217;s fault?</p>
<p>I am for the McCain Vouchers which I never thought I would be because I want my children in a learning environment where the parents will participate and the kids are willing to listen and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we gonna end up in a better place?

Not under the guise of democracy unless we teach subjects framed by civic participation.  There is an eerie connection between filling out a test and filling out a ballot, and thinking the latter is sufficient civic participation will not lead to a good place.

Also, everyone wants better education and to be able to fund it.  Which candidate is willing to talk about cutting the military budget and corporate welfare in order to get there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we gonna end up in a better place?</p>
<p>Not under the guise of democracy unless we teach subjects framed by civic participation.  There is an eerie connection between filling out a test and filling out a ballot, and thinking the latter is sufficient civic participation will not lead to a good place.</p>
<p>Also, everyone wants better education and to be able to fund it.  Which candidate is willing to talk about cutting the military budget and corporate welfare in order to get there?</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2341</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always find it interesting to hear discussions on talk shows about how to solve the K-12 education woes in the US.  We hear the expert opinions (informed or not) of politicians, administrators, journalists, parents, college professors, but rarely do we ever hear from the real experts--teachers.

In the US, teachers are ridiculed by politicians and pundits (ever hear of the phrase, &quot;those who can, do; those who cannot do, teach&quot;?), parents demand that their children be coddled in the classroom (parents actually contacting teachers to request extra credit for their child and providing every conceivable excuse for bad behavior in the classroom and laziness), and administrators do not support teachers by enforcing discipline of students.

Why are we so surprised that US students are so far behind students in other industrialized countries, when we do not value self-discipline and education?  Why are we so surprised that kids do not understand the concept that education is an active process, not a passive process, when our society places such a high value on the passive act of being entertained?  Why are we shocked by the lack of civic awareness and responsibility of teenagers when their parents don&#039;t even know who their congressional reps are and feel entitled to something for nothing just because they are American?

We must re-examine our values in this country if we can ever have success in remaking our education system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always find it interesting to hear discussions on talk shows about how to solve the K-12 education woes in the US.  We hear the expert opinions (informed or not) of politicians, administrators, journalists, parents, college professors, but rarely do we ever hear from the real experts&#8211;teachers.</p>
<p>In the US, teachers are ridiculed by politicians and pundits (ever hear of the phrase, &#8220;those who can, do; those who cannot do, teach&#8221;?), parents demand that their children be coddled in the classroom (parents actually contacting teachers to request extra credit for their child and providing every conceivable excuse for bad behavior in the classroom and laziness), and administrators do not support teachers by enforcing discipline of students.</p>
<p>Why are we so surprised that US students are so far behind students in other industrialized countries, when we do not value self-discipline and education?  Why are we so surprised that kids do not understand the concept that education is an active process, not a passive process, when our society places such a high value on the passive act of being entertained?  Why are we shocked by the lack of civic awareness and responsibility of teenagers when their parents don&#8217;t even know who their congressional reps are and feel entitled to something for nothing just because they are American?</p>
<p>We must re-examine our values in this country if we can ever have success in remaking our education system.</p>
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		<title>By: VIctoria</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2340</link>
		<dc:creator>VIctoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In evaluating candidates, I would argue that their behaviors and attitudes are at least as important as their stated policies. While there may be some merit in John McCain&#039;s policies, I wonder whether a candidate who claims that Alaska&#039;s proximity to Russia automatically imparts foreign policy expertise to Alaska&#039;s governor can really value education. Surely, it requires a disdain for the intellect of the electorate to even make such a claim!

Further, I had the misfortune to hear Phyllis Schafly, apparently one of the principal architects of the Republican platform, dismiss Mr. Obama as &quot;elitist&quot; because he attended expensive schools. Is this really a party that values education?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In evaluating candidates, I would argue that their behaviors and attitudes are at least as important as their stated policies. While there may be some merit in John McCain&#8217;s policies, I wonder whether a candidate who claims that Alaska&#8217;s proximity to Russia automatically imparts foreign policy expertise to Alaska&#8217;s governor can really value education. Surely, it requires a disdain for the intellect of the electorate to even make such a claim!</p>
<p>Further, I had the misfortune to hear Phyllis Schafly, apparently one of the principal architects of the Republican platform, dismiss Mr. Obama as &#8220;elitist&#8221; because he attended expensive schools. Is this really a party that values education?</p>
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		<title>By: BHR</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2339</link>
		<dc:creator>BHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain/Palin&#039;s support for school vouchers is alarming on civic grounds because public schooling is the bedrock of democracy. It&#039;s also alarming because every school voucher experiment shows that vouchers don&#039;t improve student achievement or school quality. Clearly, what McCain/Palin support is defunding and privatizing public education. Like the tax cuts for the wealthy they support, this may be good for highly advantaged families, but it leaves middle-class and other children -- and the public&#039;s interest in education -- in the lurch. McCain/Palin care more about failed ideology than about making sure all our kids are well educated. Let&#039;s not follow them down that dangerous path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain/Palin&#8217;s support for school vouchers is alarming on civic grounds because public schooling is the bedrock of democracy. It&#8217;s also alarming because every school voucher experiment shows that vouchers don&#8217;t improve student achievement or school quality. Clearly, what McCain/Palin support is defunding and privatizing public education. Like the tax cuts for the wealthy they support, this may be good for highly advantaged families, but it leaves middle-class and other children &#8212; and the public&#8217;s interest in education &#8212; in the lurch. McCain/Palin care more about failed ideology than about making sure all our kids are well educated. Let&#8217;s not follow them down that dangerous path.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelei</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/09/election-08-issues-education/comment-page-1#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorelei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic of McCain or Republicans caring about education makes me so damn MAD!! It&#039;s this Republican group that has made every effort to CUT education funding over and over and over again. Parents of elementary school-age kids are receiving longer and longer lists of supplies that they have to purchase because the school has nothing to spend. Schools can&#039;t afford TEXTBOOKS for goodness sakes!

I worked with high school kids in LA whose schools didn&#039;t even have the money to pay for repairing non-functional bathrooms. These kids had to go home or to a local MacDonald&#039;s if they needed to go to the bathroom! Can you begin to imagine what the teachers have at their disposal for teaching, or even what their paychecks are like in these situations?

The whole idea of teachers being the root cause of poor education is wrong, and is a way to find a convenient scapegoat that makes everyone look in the other direction. The fact is that LOCAL TAXES pay for public schooling, and there are PLENTY of poor towns and cities that are struggling to make ends meet, while well-to-do towns and cities thrive with the best of everything. Kids that are coming from low-income households are also dealing with other significant issues such as health care, parental presence and more.

What parent that has to work 2 or more jobs has the time and energy to work with their kids on homework? 

They are not advocating anything except punishment and exclusionary tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic of McCain or Republicans caring about education makes me so damn MAD!! It&#8217;s this Republican group that has made every effort to CUT education funding over and over and over again. Parents of elementary school-age kids are receiving longer and longer lists of supplies that they have to purchase because the school has nothing to spend. Schools can&#8217;t afford TEXTBOOKS for goodness sakes!</p>
<p>I worked with high school kids in LA whose schools didn&#8217;t even have the money to pay for repairing non-functional bathrooms. These kids had to go home or to a local MacDonald&#8217;s if they needed to go to the bathroom! Can you begin to imagine what the teachers have at their disposal for teaching, or even what their paychecks are like in these situations?</p>
<p>The whole idea of teachers being the root cause of poor education is wrong, and is a way to find a convenient scapegoat that makes everyone look in the other direction. The fact is that LOCAL TAXES pay for public schooling, and there are PLENTY of poor towns and cities that are struggling to make ends meet, while well-to-do towns and cities thrive with the best of everything. Kids that are coming from low-income households are also dealing with other significant issues such as health care, parental presence and more.</p>
<p>What parent that has to work 2 or more jobs has the time and energy to work with their kids on homework? </p>
<p>They are not advocating anything except punishment and exclusionary tactics.</p>
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