Comments on: Concussions and the NFL http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl On Point is a live, two-hour morning news-analysis program, produced by WBUR 90.9 and NPR. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:01:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Radomir http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-12884 Radomir Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:10:31 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-12884 Great post, thanks for the info Great post, thanks for the info

]]> By: Mike B http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-10538 Mike B Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:36:23 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-10538 I am 45 yrs old and have been experiencing what has been diagnosed as complex seizures about once a year( for the last 5 years) and specifically during or after doing pull ups and lifting weights. I played football through college and rugby for 6 years suffering multiple concussions( 2 unconscious). I am seeking a neurologist that specializes in sports related injuries. The neurologist that examined me just gave me a list of pills and told me to research their side effects on my own and pick one. He told me the seizures are just coincidental to the exercising. I think their must be a connection, its too specific. Any one who is aware of a neurology clinic that specializes in this area please post some info. I am in Colorado. Thanks! I am 45 yrs old and have been experiencing what has been diagnosed as complex seizures about once a year( for the last 5 years) and specifically during or after doing pull ups and lifting weights. I played football through college and rugby for 6 years suffering multiple concussions( 2 unconscious). I am seeking a neurologist that specializes in sports related injuries. The neurologist that examined me just gave me a list of pills and told me to research their side effects on my own and pick one. He told me the seizures are just coincidental to the exercising. I think their must be a connection, its too specific. Any one who is aware of a neurology clinic that specializes in this area please post some info. I am in Colorado. Thanks!

]]> By: Steve http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-9168 Steve Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:45:05 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-9168 Nowinski stated in several interviews, " I got kicked in the chin and everything turned orange" Chin blows are a real factor in NFL, NHL and boxing type concussion. Mouth guards that correct need to be mandated Nowinski stated in several interviews, ” I got kicked in the chin and everything turned orange”
Chin blows are a real factor in NFL, NHL and boxing type concussion. Mouth guards that correct need to be mandated

]]> By: Spekkio http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-9016 Spekkio Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:48:26 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-9016 See also: http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_28881.shtml See also:
http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_28881.shtml

]]> By: Spekkio http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-9015 Spekkio Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:47:00 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-9015 I know I'm late to the discussion - I hope that somebody sees this, because I think that what I have to add is valuable.... Concussions aren't restricted to football. What about professional wrestling? Yes, it's "staged." But the injuries can be quite legitimate. Hardcore wrestling legend Mick Foley (aka "Cactus Jack," "Mankind," and "Dude Love") suffered at least six concussions during his career. (http://www.pwmania.com/information.php?page=mickfoleysinjuries) The Sports Legacy Institute mentioned during the show is headed by Christopher Nowinski, who sustained four concussions in three years of professional wrestling. And some doctors believe that concussions sustained by Chris Benoit might have contributed to his double-murder / suicide in 2007. (http://www.mopsquad.com/artman2/publish/Wrestling/Doctor_Pro_wrestler_Benoit_s_concussions_may_have_contributed_to_killings_of_wife_son.htm) I know I’m late to the discussion – I hope that somebody sees this, because I think that what I have to add is valuable….

Concussions aren’t restricted to football. What about professional wrestling? Yes, it’s “staged.” But the injuries can be quite legitimate. Hardcore wrestling legend Mick Foley (aka “Cactus Jack,” “Mankind,” and “Dude Love”) suffered at least six concussions during his career. (http://www.pwmania.com/information.php?page=mickfoleysinjuries)

The Sports Legacy Institute mentioned during the show is headed by Christopher Nowinski, who sustained four concussions in three years of professional wrestling. And some doctors believe that concussions sustained by Chris Benoit might have contributed to his double-murder / suicide in 2007. (http://www.mopsquad.com/artman2/publish/Wrestling/Doctor_Pro_wrestler_Benoit_s_concussions_may_have_contributed_to_killings_of_wife_son.htm)

]]> By: Brandi Winans http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8746 Brandi Winans Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:08:51 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8746 I know first-hand what Eleanore and Sylvia are going through. I was married to former NFL Player, Jeff Winans for 25 years and have just finished my book, "The Flip Side of Glory" detailing my life amd marriagie to Jeff who had 11 plus concussions. I am also a strong NFL Advoctae for Disability income for the disabled players and familites who are fighting for their survival and future of their families. We fought for 16 years to get Jeff's. I watched Chris's interview on HBO Reale Sports and It was at that time I realized that Jeff's concussions were responsible for his emotional and behavioral problems of manic depression, prescription drug addiction, memory loss, severe headaches, etc. I was able to give written tesitimony and be present at the NFL Congressional Hearings, June,2007. I will continue to fhight for not only the players but more importantly the spouses and children, who live this everyday and the NFL needs and musr recognize that concussions are a disability to veteran players. Forever we are one... Sincerely,Brandi Winans I know first-hand what Eleanore and Sylvia are going through. I was married to former NFL Player, Jeff Winans for 25 years and have just finished my book, “The Flip Side of Glory” detailing my life amd marriagie to Jeff who had 11 plus concussions. I am also a strong NFL Advoctae for Disability income for the disabled players and familites who are fighting for their survival and future of their families. We fought for 16 years to get Jeff’s. I watched Chris’s interview on HBO Reale Sports and It was at that time I realized that Jeff’s concussions were responsible for his emotional and behavioral problems of manic depression, prescription drug addiction, memory loss, severe headaches, etc. I was able to give written tesitimony and be present at the NFL Congressional Hearings, June,2007. I will continue to fhight for not only the players but more importantly the spouses and children, who live this everyday and the NFL needs and musr recognize that concussions are a disability to veteran players. Forever we are one… Sincerely,Brandi Winans

]]> By: Dave http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8599 Dave Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:40:25 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8599 NFL/NHL players must be educated on the use of a corrective mouth guard designed to counteract the effects of the boxers "Glass Jaw". You don't have to be boxer to have this diagnosable condition. Military research has recognized this region of the brain/ ear canal as an origin to MTBI in soldiers. The Patriots and many other franchises are now using this as a means of reducing concussion, yet many remain uninformed and unprotected from this known danger. Even Riddell states on their web site the TMJ/jaw relation to concussion, as a result of NFL research. www.mahercor.com NFL/NHL players must be educated on the use of a corrective mouth guard designed to counteract the effects of the boxers “Glass Jaw”. You don’t have to be boxer to have this diagnosable condition. Military research has recognized this region of the brain/ ear canal as an origin to MTBI in soldiers. The Patriots and many other franchises are now using this as a means of reducing concussion, yet many remain uninformed and unprotected from this known danger. Even Riddell states on their web site the TMJ/jaw relation to concussion, as a result of NFL research. http://www.mahercor.com

]]> By: Steve http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8551 Steve Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:59:52 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8551 Hyperbaric chambers, neuropsyche testing, none of this is poactive, it's first aide, picking up the pieces after humpty dumpty has shattered. When it comes to brains, prevention should be the only choice, better helmets, neck rolls and a corrective mouth guard that eliminates the presence of the "Glass Jaw" effect. www.mahercor.com. Clearly the hit to Patrice Bergeron's jaw/chin would not have been minimized by a better helmet, a mouth guard that diperses force evenly into the soft tissue would help reduce the trauma, as when Wes Welker is slammed to the turf and pops right up after the hit. Most players like Bolden, Coles, Trent Green are carted off to the emergency room, only to be diagnosed with a concussion. He'll be ok, they say, until he ends up like Wenzel, Mackie or Crebet the list continues to grow. What a mess the NFL "concussion committee" has created. Hyperbaric chambers, neuropsyche testing, none of this is poactive, it’s first aide, picking up the pieces after humpty dumpty has shattered. When it comes to brains, prevention should be the only choice, better helmets, neck rolls and a corrective mouth guard that eliminates the presence of the “Glass Jaw” effect. http://www.mahercor.com. Clearly the hit to Patrice Bergeron’s jaw/chin would not have been minimized by a better helmet, a mouth guard that diperses force evenly into the soft tissue would help reduce the trauma, as when Wes Welker is slammed to the turf and pops right up after the hit. Most players like Bolden, Coles, Trent Green are carted off to the emergency room, only to be diagnosed with a concussion. He’ll be ok, they say, until he ends up like Wenzel, Mackie or Crebet the list continues to grow. What a mess the NFL “concussion committee” has created.

]]> By: John Randall http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8468 John Randall Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:31:42 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8468 Back in the 1960s & early '70s when I played (H.S. & College) suspension helmets were the "state of the art". We were taught "face in" tackling and "headbutt" blocking; both of which utilized the forehead part of the skull as the first point of contact. Unquestionably, these techniques put players at greater risk of sustaining concussions. We had a saying that you "got your bell rung". Many of us did and were held out for a time and then went right back into the game or practice. Yet today, I know of no one of my former teammates or opponents who suffers from dementia such as John Mackey or suffers like Ted Johnson.(I am in the football community & run across former teammates and opponents quite regularly.) Since those days, those techniques have been made illegal and virtually all coaches at all levels do not teach them. Also, helmet technology has progressed exponentially in the attempt to try to eliminate concussions. Simply put, today's football helmets are "light years ahead" of the equipment we used in those days. As a HS football coach for 30 years, I can attest to the fact that the vast majority of coaches are vitally interested in making the game as safe as possible. For instance, at the high school I coached at, all athletes were required to be tested for concussion health both before, during, and after their participation in our program. The school required these tests provided the testing at no cost to the student. What was surprising was that we seemed to have several more concussions per student than had happened back in the "barbaric" '60s and '70s. I personally witnessed several instances where the blow seemed to be relatively minor and yet the player suffered a substantial concussion. Further the concussions occurred even when the player was wearing the very best helmets available. (Riddell Revolution or the modern Schutt model) And, unfortunately, one of the most difficult aspects of the issue was that kids suffer concussions but don't realize it. None of my observations are substantiated by scientifically researched data, but my impression is that the study of concussions is somehow skewed and perhaps researchers are looking in the wrong direction. Again, I have no scientific data to cite, I have definitely noticed a trend which seems to belie the corrective efforts. Back in the 1960s & early ’70s when I played (H.S. & College) suspension helmets were the “state of the art”. We were taught “face in” tackling and “headbutt” blocking; both of which utilized the forehead part of the skull as the first point of contact. Unquestionably, these techniques put players at greater risk of sustaining concussions. We had a saying that you “got your bell rung”. Many of us did and were held out for a time and then went right back into the game or practice. Yet today, I know of no one of my former teammates or opponents who suffers from dementia such as John Mackey or suffers like Ted Johnson.(I am in the football community & run across former teammates and opponents quite regularly.)
Since those days, those techniques have been made illegal and virtually all coaches at all levels do not teach them. Also, helmet technology has progressed exponentially in the attempt to try to eliminate concussions. Simply put, today’s football helmets are “light years ahead” of the equipment we used in those days. As a HS football coach for 30 years, I can attest to the fact that the vast majority of coaches are vitally interested in making the game as safe as possible. For instance, at the high school I coached at, all athletes were required to be tested for concussion health both before, during, and after their participation in our program. The school required these tests provided the testing at no cost to the student.
What was surprising was that we seemed to have several more concussions per student than had happened back in the “barbaric” ’60s and ’70s. I personally witnessed several instances where the blow seemed to be relatively minor and yet the player suffered a substantial concussion. Further the concussions occurred even when the player was wearing the very best helmets available. (Riddell Revolution or the modern Schutt model) And, unfortunately, one of the most difficult aspects of the issue was that kids suffer concussions but don’t realize it.
None of my observations are substantiated by scientifically researched data, but my impression is that the study of concussions is somehow skewed and perhaps researchers are looking in the wrong direction. Again, I have no scientific data to cite, I have definitely noticed a trend which seems to belie the corrective efforts.

]]> By: Mike Ryan http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8435 Mike Ryan Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:04:02 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8435 Any person who suffers a head injury - from a slight concussion to traumatic brain injury - will have some brain damage that will present itself later in life...sometime, in some fashion. Anyone with a brain injury should do at least 2 1-hour sessions in a hyperbaric oxygen (HBOT) chamber to bring blood and oxygen to the idling neurons around the insult. The HOPE Connection, Inc in North Reading, MA is the only local hyperbaric chamber facility that I know of. They are at http://www.The-HOPE-Clinic.com. Any person who suffers a head injury – from a slight concussion to traumatic brain injury – will have some brain damage that will present itself later in life…sometime, in some fashion. Anyone with a brain injury should do at least 2 1-hour sessions in a hyperbaric oxygen (HBOT) chamber to bring blood and oxygen to the idling neurons around the insult. The HOPE Connection, Inc in North Reading, MA is the only local hyperbaric chamber facility that I know of. They are at http://www.The-HOPE-Clinic.com.

]]> By: Steve http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8425 Steve Sun, 21 Dec 2008 05:50:16 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8425 Relation to concussion/jaw alignment is clear in Bolden/Smith injury aftermath He (Bolden) missed only two games (the bye was in there, too) after needing eight plates inserted to repair two fractures in his face after the horrific hit by Eric Smith at the end of the loss to the Jets. He also suffered a concussion and needed to have his jaw realigned Relation to concussion/jaw alignment is clear in Bolden/Smith injury aftermath

He (Bolden) missed only two games (the bye was in there, too) after needing eight plates inserted to repair two fractures in his face after the horrific hit by Eric Smith at the end of the loss to the Jets. He also suffered a concussion and needed to have his jaw realigned

]]> By: Steve http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8422 Steve Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:40:30 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8422 Soldiers, athletes will benefit from an orthotic retainer like mouth guard used by many NFL,NBA and NHL teams. Developed with Marvin Hagler, the Maher mouth guard is the fist line of defense in protecting from jaw related concussion. Riddells homepage refers to this type of concussion as a major factor. Everything else, psyche testing is a bandaide, aftercare does nothing to prevent the first injury from occuring. Two players in NC and three in NJ have died from second impact sydrome. Because players hide the injury, preventing the first one is of crucial circumstance. www.mahercor.com Soldiers, athletes will benefit from an orthotic retainer like mouth guard used by many NFL,NBA and NHL teams. Developed with Marvin Hagler, the Maher mouth guard is the fist line of defense in protecting from jaw related concussion. Riddells homepage refers to this type of concussion as a major factor. Everything else, psyche testing is a bandaide, aftercare does nothing to prevent the first injury from occuring. Two players in NC and three in NJ have died from second impact sydrome. Because players hide the injury, preventing the first one is of crucial circumstance. http://www.mahercor.com

]]> By: John http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8420 John Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:00:30 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8420 I have no doubt that I experienced concussions during my time on the football field. I do have symptoms of dimentia that they reference on this program, including memory problems, headaches, and what has been called complex partial seizures. I want to find out more that will help me to put the pieces of this puzzle together. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has similar symptoms. I have no doubt that I experienced concussions during my time on the football field. I do have symptoms of dimentia that they reference on this program, including memory problems, headaches, and what has been called complex partial seizures. I want to find out more that will help me to put the pieces of this puzzle together. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has similar symptoms.

]]> By: Alix http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8415 Alix Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:20:45 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8415 Pro football players enjoy lavish salaries and perks. It's a bit difficult to worry about them as compared to other professions that employ far more people and have significant risks based on stress, injury, etc. I wish I could make $700,000 a year and have a team of professionals worried about my health! from wikipedia The median salary in the NFL in 2007 is roughly $770,000. In 2006 it was about $720,000. The Steelers have the highest median salary at $1.1 million, the Packers the lowest at $440,000. The Redskins have the highest payroll at $123 million. The Giants have the lowest at $76 million. Pro football players enjoy lavish salaries and perks. It’s a bit difficult to worry about them as compared to other professions that employ far more people and have significant risks based on stress, injury, etc. I wish I could make $700,000 a year and have a team of professionals worried about my health!

from wikipedia
The median salary in the NFL in 2007 is roughly $770,000. In 2006 it was about $720,000. The Steelers have the highest median salary at $1.1 million, the Packers the lowest at $440,000. The Redskins have the highest payroll at $123 million. The Giants have the lowest at $76 million.

]]> By: Joe B. http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8410 Joe B. Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:35:22 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8410 This was an outstanding program. Kudos to Tom Ashbrook and the entire On Point staff. This was an outstanding program. Kudos to Tom Ashbrook and the entire On Point staff.

]]> By: GSM http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8399 GSM Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:54:46 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8399 After listening to the show this evening, and reading information and stories on some brain injury websites, I wonder if any of the problems I am now having can be traced to concussions I have had over the years. My injuries happened while riding horses and bicycles (when a car turned in front of me - I took his windshield out with my head, which was protected by a helmet), from falls and construction work. I have had at least four head injuries that caused loss of consciousness and amnesia, and at least three others that caused dizziness and headaches for varying lengths of time. I now have fibromyalgia, depression, fatigue, difficulties with short term memory, difficulties staying on task, etc. It is scary to think these might get worse or even degrade into early onset dementia. I'm very glad my nephew's venture into football was very limited and that he is not interested in continuing - although baseball, at which he is very good, has its share of opportunities for head injury. After listening to the show this evening, and reading information and stories on some brain injury websites, I wonder if any of the problems I am now having can be traced to concussions I have had over the years. My injuries happened while riding horses and bicycles (when a car turned in front of me – I took his windshield out with my head, which was protected by a helmet), from falls and construction work. I have had at least four head injuries that caused loss of consciousness and amnesia, and at least three others that caused dizziness and headaches for varying lengths of time. I now have fibromyalgia, depression, fatigue, difficulties with short term memory, difficulties staying on task, etc. It is scary to think these might get worse or even degrade into early onset dementia. I’m very glad my nephew’s venture into football was very limited and that he is not interested in continuing – although baseball, at which he is very good, has its share of opportunities for head injury.

]]> By: Lee Riggan http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8390 Lee Riggan Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:05:03 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8390 What are the names of the books mentioned One was "Listen to me, I am still somebody." What was the other one? What are the names of the books mentioned One was “Listen to me, I am still somebody.” What was the other one?

]]> By: Jeff Hampsten http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8386 Jeff Hampsten Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:04:38 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8386 At our hyperbaric oxygen therapy and wound care center we have treated post concussion syndrome and ALZ/PICK. We became aware that HBOT might be of help when a local retired doctor that had served a 2 year medical mission in Russia came to us and informed us that his 19 year old grandson had numerous sports related concussions (23 documented) and was suffering from neurologic deficits to such an extent that he was not able to serve a mission for his church. He told us of his experiences in Russia where he said that people with various brain injuries were routinely treated with hyperbaric oxygen therapy...HBOT. We subsequently treated the young man after he was given a battery of standardized psychometric tests on which he scored an overall 64 with 100 being the mean average. He was retested midway through 80 HBOT treatments and his score had risen to average. At the end of the treatments his final score was an overall 134 and his daily debilitating migranes had resolved to an occasional headache. Anyone wishing for more information on this and other injuries that might benefit from HBOT can find a large amount of information on the net by searching "hyperbaric oxygen therapy". As an aside, what will happen to soldiers that are returning from war theaters with multiple concussions as they grow older? Will this be the agent orange that debilitates the next generation of American soldiers? Anyone wanting more information on this topic is also welcome to contact us through our website idahohyperbarics.com and will make every effort to reply. At our hyperbaric oxygen therapy and wound care center we have treated post concussion syndrome and ALZ/PICK. We became aware that HBOT might be of help when a local retired doctor that had served a 2 year medical mission in Russia came to us and informed us that his 19 year old grandson had numerous sports related concussions (23 documented) and was suffering from neurologic deficits to such an extent that he was not able to serve a mission for his church. He told us of his experiences in Russia where he said that people with various brain injuries were routinely treated with hyperbaric oxygen therapy…HBOT. We subsequently treated the young man after he was given a battery of standardized psychometric tests on which he scored an overall 64 with 100 being the mean average. He was retested midway through 80 HBOT treatments and his score had risen to average. At the end of the treatments his final score was an overall 134 and his daily debilitating migranes had resolved to an occasional headache. Anyone wishing for more information on this and other injuries that might benefit from HBOT can find a large amount of information on the net by searching “hyperbaric oxygen therapy”. As an aside, what will happen to soldiers that are returning from war theaters with multiple concussions as they grow older? Will this be the agent orange that debilitates the next generation of American soldiers? Anyone wanting more information on this topic is also welcome to contact us through our website idahohyperbarics.com and will make every effort to reply.

]]> By: jeff http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8382 jeff Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:45:22 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8382 Ban it all, cheer leading and football. Ban it all, cheer leading and football.

]]> By: marcus http://www.onpointradio.org/2008/12/concussions-and-the-nfl/comment-page-1#comment-8379 marcus Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:43:06 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13436#comment-8379 As much as I hate the cliche "modern day gladiators" football players truly are just that. As much as people say athletes are over idolized they put their bodies and lives on the line for our entertainment and deserve our admiration. As much as I hate the cliche “modern day gladiators” football players truly are just that. As much as people say athletes are over idolized they put their bodies and lives on the line for our entertainment and deserve our admiration.

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