Tom, my question for Adm. Fallon is: What can he tell us about the UFO phenomenon?

I do not believe OBL is alive. If you believe he is alive; what evidence is there if any?

Keeping the hoax going is beneficial for both us and al Queada

If you believe everything that the Palestinian say , Suggest you watch :ROAD TO JENIN BY PIERRE REHOV….http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=road%20to%20jenin%20a%20massacre%20did%20not%20take%20place&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=road%20to%20jenin%20&hl=en&emb=0

The Admiral sounds to me like one of the legions of retired military personnel who are paid by the Pentagon to appear on talk shows to spin conversations in a pro-Pentagon direction…

this guy is a joke he deflected every question, i feel his comments were wasteful and uninformative

What in the world is Admiral Fallon’s purpose in coming on the show? He seems to have only the blandest most general comments and slight justifications for US ploicy but he won’t really say anything about anything. It’s like listening to the droning of a speaker who has to fill time.

Thank goodness for the callers’ thought provoking questions.

Cathy McNally

…..after listening to this guy’s rhetoric I can only deduce he continues to drink the “Kool-aid” — each of his comments is ambiguous and calculated — he certainly cannot hold a candle to General Zini or Bernie McCaffery!!

Tom, your late colleague Studs Turkel asked: “Where are the guys in the media who have the guts to ask an impertinent question!” Judging by your softball approach to Admiral Fallon,you are not one of them! At the end of the show I half expected you to snap a salute and bark “Thank you sir!!!”

I found Admiral Fallon’s comments about the images coming out of Gaza to be disingenuous and revealing. He said that the Gazans bend these images to their own advantage. When Thom said that there was plenty of material for those images, the Admiral had to back away from his implication that the pictures of suffering Palestinian civilians are propaganda only, and not reflective of reality.

If the Admiral were fighting a war against a far superior power, and incurring heavy losses in his civilian population, would he hesitate to publicize his people’s suffering in order to sway world opinion his way? Israel certainly hasn’t, and I doubt Admiral Fallon would either. Of course, that will never happen to him–he’s a general in the most powerful military on the planet. But his attitude reveals that he cannot imagine what it must be like to be in the Gazans’ situation. He sounds completely unimaginative, in fact, throughout the interview. I don’t trust him.

What does the admiral really know (or reveal) about the current crises. The same old blather about Hamas ’starting’ the current conflict. After 60 years of Israeli control over Palestinian life/politics and many credible alternative timelines of the current incursions (many of them provided by Israeli, Jewish and other academics/activists), there’s a ton of evidence to challenge the Israel/US narrative of what’s going on and who ‘broke’ the ceasefire in occupied Gaza. The admiral was not very informative nor does he really provide good insight into creating a credible US foreign policy. Sorry, there’s better alternative media out there giving us more useful information on these points.

Hello Tom – very disappointing interview. Admiral Fallon spews the same extremely generalized rhetoric you’d expect from a Pentagon spokesman. When the women caller asked about why we continue to have so many wars that are unjustified his only answer is (and I paraphrase) “…there are a lot of evil people in the world and we should expect more to come.” Spoken like a true military man! How can the citizens of this country continue to buy this explanation?? The majority probably don’t care and as long as American Idol still airs they can chose to ignore the real issues that plague this nation and the world. May God have mercy on us!

I was disgusted to hear Admiral Fallon parroting the same tired Israeli talking points about the breakdown of the six month ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. He knows better. Further, Tom Ashbrook knows better as I detailed some of the (many) reasons for the breakdown on his show that aired Wednesday January 7th.

The ceasefire began to unravel following the killing by Israel of 6 hamas members inside Gaza on November 4th and yes, there is plenty of blame to go around. However, it is a fact that in the months preceding this event there were very few rockets fired and none attributed to Hamas. Even Israel acknowledges the fact that Hamas worked to uphold the terms of the ceasefire. Further, Israel was in violation of the ceasefire terms by failing to open the boarders as agreed in Cairo. Don’t take my word for it. Read about it here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/04/israel-gaza-hamas-hidden-agenda

It is one thing to be lied to by a U.S. military man whose job it is represent U.S. government positions. It is another thing for NPR and Tom Ashbrook to also repeat these same lies. NPR – it is time for some honest reporting please! We expect better.

Please Rory ….anything coming out of the guardian or the BBC is not credible . Their reporting is so biased against Israel . http://www.bbcwatch.co.uk/reports.html Rockets were still falling when the cease fire started and never stopped falling …You should do a little bit more investigating yourself ..where have you been since this has been going on way before november 4th? ….

Admiral William J. Fallon seems to be the quintessential 4 star who (as Nary ROTC and started as a pilot) never attended the Naval Academy or had boots on the ground in Vietnam. If anything he became adept at the politics of moving beyond the rank of captain. I served in Vietnam in the “brown water” Navy where the best admirals had their first commands later to become President of the U.S. Naval War College, Commander of the nations largest recruit training center in Great Lakes, Superintendent of the U.S. Naval Academy and the Chief of Naval Operations. I have met and or served under everyone of them and had the honor of meeting CNO Admiral Elmo Zumwalt who twice honored my crew with the recommendation of the Presidential Unit Citation. In 2007 I was co-guest speaker at a reunion of all gunboat sailors. Both of us provide our insights on 9/11. I spoke of my work in Mental Health Disaster Relief at the World Trade Center and my counterpart spoke the next evening about being attacked at the Pentagon and then her work and being wounded in Afghanistan. Among the assembled at the reunion was my first skipper who was the only one who “failed” to make admiral because he was the least likely to make compromises and play politics like Fallon. ON POINT and their respectful but informed callers proved today that Fallon is the complete opposite and affirmed to me that my turning down three request to enter the 1971, 1973, and 1974 classes of the U.S. Naval Academy was the right thing to do. I would be too ashamed and un-American to have spoken as he had today,

If the good admiral is really one who “speaks his mind,” then there is not much mind there to begin with. This man is nothing if not a blowhard of equivocation. How about an honest “yes” or “no” response to two direct questions:
1.) Was the U.S. justified in invading Iraq? and 2.) Is the Israeli slaughter of civilians in Gaza acceptable?

C’mon, admiral, how about some straight talk?

And, Tom, how about some incisive, pointed interviewing?
After all, your show is called “On Point,” isn’t it?

Like a robot drilling the same old sob story about Israel.So tired of this suppourt of attrocities and the same old excuses of Israel protecting itself.The real issue should be why this conflict erupted?The Israeli control of everything and anything that goes into Gaza.They planned this attack 6 months prior.As well as the fact that i think its possibly a test of there new weapons funded by us the tax payers.These people are prisoners in there own land.What a shame that the truth is twisted and fead intreveniously.Too much suppourt of the wrong side thanks to AIPAC and there hold on Congress.I truly believe you place Israel next to any one and they will find a excuse to fight.Then create some stroy that suppourts there aggression..

Yuri …stop with the slaughter B.S…Hamas are liars and the ones using women and children as human shields . Israel has repeated over and over again ,they would stop the defence of their country if hamas criminal gangs stopped sending rockets into Israel who purposely target innocent women and children .Why are you defending these homicidal maniacs who were distributing candy on 911 and who’s charter is the total distruction of Israel ?

Well, Tom, that didn’t go too well, did it? Aren’t miliary folk–especially the “highest ups”–among the last people we need to hear from as they sputter forth with their distorted views of the world?

R.M. tries to discredit a Guardian article by claiming bias and then citing a website dedicated to exposing alleged bias in BBC reporting. R.M., saying it doesn’t make it so. You try to discredit the messenger rather than disprove the assertion. If you disagree with my point the provide alternative evidence. Point us to articles that disprove my assertion that the breakdown of the ceasefire had as much to do with Israel as it did with Hamas. Of course I also argue that Israel bears more responsibility given the nature of it’s ceasefire violations and due to its status as the occupying power, so you can set out to disprove that as well if you like. Increasingly it appears that Israel was looking for and then created a casus belli.

For those interested, I have done some more digging. Here is a decent review of the literature on this subject put together by an Israeli source:
http://www.hagada.org.il/eng/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=248

rory , with all the information on the Internet why don’t you look it up for yourself …I have an idea that whatever site I send you too , you will dismiss it ….why don’t you watch this documentary to see what kind of people you are defending…..http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=road%20to%20jenin%20a%20massacre%20did%20not%20take%20place&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=road%20to%20jenin%20&hl=en&emb=0

or watch Pallywood ….http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=road%20to%20jenin%20a%20massacre%20did%20not%20take%20place&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=Pallywood%20&hl=en&emb=0

If after this you still believe the Palestinian and their so call massacres …..you just don’t want too….

Isn’t “hagada” Hebrew for “propaganda”?

Not coming down on either side of Rory & R.M.’s back & forth. I just read it somewhere and I’m wondering…

Again, trying to discredit without refuting. This is a typical tactic. Here is how it goes:

1. Lie, lie, lie
2. Repeat, repeat, repeat
3. Deny, deny, deny
4. Go back to step 1
5. If all else fails, charge antisemitism.

R.M. is currently at step 3.

Did you look at my link? I will look at your links but really, I don’t need to watch the videos. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. I’ve seen Palestinian demonstrators shot to death in front of me (men, women, and children). I’ve been shot at by Israeli troops for being outdoors during a curfew. I’ve been detained without charges. And I am an American, not of Arab decent.

For a long time I supported a 2 state solution. Those days have passed. Israel is unwilling to give up territory occupied in war. It is time for Palestinians to seek national rights within a single, bi-national state.

Tom,
This was a terribly disppointing and disturbing show. First Adm.Fallon (I agree with Janet, Joe Rory and others strongly critical)and then…Joan Rivers??? Drivel followed by her mindless, hateful words about Jon’s moving Daily Show stand?
Why this choice of guests? You have such an excellent (and generally well-deserved) reputation. There cannot be a dearth of interesting, intelligent. thoughtful human beings who would gladly be on your show. And please take a cue from BBC interviewers–they know how to ask tough questions.

http://www.bbcwatch.com/who.html

hi R.M

it shows trever who is based in and lives in israel who started bbc watch, he has a only pro israel agenda and uses information to twisted it to support israels fews,and used to silence critics

if u truly wish to know what israel has done is read mutiple sources and read the history or build up to it and it will show israel is the main cause,

I listened over the On Point Radio web site after the interview was over and many comments posted. What I heard was a very pragmatic unemotional view of events in the Middle East from a man who knows. He dodged direct answers to a couple questions where the answer would reveal classified information and he avoided taking any idealogical or strictly political position. It was a classic senior military perspective on very complicated issues, a perspective that many people find annoying to say the least. But that type of perspective is exactly what we pay military leaders to hold, leaving the politics and idealistic views to others. The Admiral is now retired and is free to share personal political views, but given the nature of this man, and perhaps his aspirations for the future, I have no problem accepting his right to retain his military public persona. I also think it is admirable of NPR to give air time to people like this as a balance to many others who delight in sharing their strongly held opinions.

Rory ,B. S. you watched the video , but when you see the truth you can’t take it because you want to believe in your ideals .(whatever they are)..How would you know who I am and how I think …..you can see through the computer ? Stop insulting ….It won’t make you right ….So you went to Gaza …So you must be one of these hard core ..with agenda’s ….Go on support fascist dictators who are just using you….poor little naive American………This is what hamas does to traitors …http://middleeastfacts.com/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=0

This is a testament of the left wing machine. It you do not agree with the left wing liberals, then you are classed as an idiot. I love to hear these arm-chair experts who may never have served in the military, but have an expect opinion on world affairs. This honorable man served our country and has in my opinion given us a fair assessment of the situation we have in the world. His eyes and ears has seen and heard things we are not allowed. Yet! you great Americans have once again crucified one of our own. We have eaten up everything the liberals have fed us as absolute truth. Truth has been twisted and suppressed by political parties in order to get the hill and power. The truth about Sadaam is slowly being revealed in his captured documents and tapes in a book called Sadaam’s Secrets. The liberals will no doubt have a field day denying these facts. According to the above comments this man sounds like a traitor, I say shame on you America, whose side are you on!!!

Mike , I listen to the BBC everyday , and I read various news sources on many sides .left and right ……..Please I know what I am reading ….The BBC is definitely bias. Although far from being an historian , I have read plenty of the history …. why did one million Jews from Arab countries just about the same time as the palestinians (much more than Palestinians who left ) were kicked out and went mostly to Israel , (lived in tents until they were resettled) .Can you tell me why the United Nation who had more than 600 resolutions for the Palestinian refugees and not one single one for the Jewish refugees . They had the keys to their homes …..Why have they not have compensation for their loss ? Why does everyone speak of the Palestinians and never of the Jews from Arab countries who lived in the middle east for more than 2 thousand years before Islam in Algeria , Egypt ,Iran ,Iraq, Lebanon , Libya , Morocco, Syria , Tunisia , Yemen .and yes Palestine ….did I forget any ? yes most went to Israel and make up 50% of the population . They are sephardic or Misrahi Jews..They picked up their lives unlike the Palestinians who’s so called “brothers” in the Arab countries left them to rot in desperate conditions . how come these super rich Arab countries can’t give a small amount of help ? The hatred of Jews and Christians in that part of the world is very deep …….. (I know there is good and bad everywhere ,and I always judge everyone individually )………………………..The Israelis are here to stay ….like it or not…..

My oh my. Not shocking news. The General is staggeringly disconnected from reality. One wonders if he ever looks in the mirror and asks himself if he’d be willing to sacrifice his own children to suffer the same kind of injury and death that the innocent children, women, and men of Iraq and Afghanistan have done in the face of American hubris and error. Give us a break General from your weak knee analysis. Go golfing.

to play on patriotism in a debate is the last defense of someone who has no answers,im in the military, and he deflected almost all the answer, and gave broken and incoherent answers, and to call someone a traitor proves my point,

please debate and give points not rants, israel has plan and sent P.R. and attacked hamas 5 months into the cease-fire killing 6 to 8 people this happen nov. 4 to 5 so the world was not watching and in the whole over 30 pali, died , and the blockade was not open like Israel said they did along with assignation and reporter not having access to gaza

also kind of funny its happening before a israel election, and before bush is gone from office. some problems israel might have
creating illegal settlement,bombing u.n. building,local police,forcing gazan to stay in the building while using it as a military operation,over a 3 or the casualties are civilian, having a 2 tier society where irsael arabs are 2nd class

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828884.stm

mike @7:43 …..Strange how you are repeating exactly what hamas is saying ….

This guy has a reputation as a “Blow Torch” who “speaks truth to power”?

He’s more like a wet match in a dark basement.

No wonder this country and our military are in such a damnable position. Admiral Fallon’s wiggling around on the question of pre-emptive war (a war crime) was maddening. His comments on the unfolding atrocity that is Gaza (which includes collective punishment, targeting of civilians, disproportinate force and the use of phosphorus weapons – war crimes all) was a typical display of unimaginative and historically stunted thinking that is so typical of American leadership – both military and civilian.

As disturbing as it is discouraging. If Obama can’t shake up this kind of limited awareness and ideology we are in BIG trouble.

So, R.M., you deny that innocent Palestinians are being slaughtered? Then, you must also believe that Israel’s right to defend itself includes whatever actions Israel deems necessary. Thus, Israel may blockade the Palestinian territories and impose collectively punishing curfews for days, weeks, or months, routinely denying civilians the essentials of life—food, water, medicine, electricity, freedom of movement, their very livelihoods. Moreover, Israel may hold 10,000 Palestinians in jail, arrest or kidnap anyone suspected of knowing a “terrorist,” assassinate anyone it wishes to target for assassination, and imprison civilians—men, women, children—who dare say “No!” to a brutal Occupation. So, Israel may lay waste to anything in its path, obliterate basic infrastructure, bulldoze thousands of houses, destroy personal property, uproot ancient olive groves, vandalize radio and TV stations, demolish NGO offices and cultural centers, shell hospitals, mosques, and schools. In sum, Israel’s right to defend itself means behaving any way it wants to, as if it really were not answerable to anyone. Nu?

F.Y.I.: These are just a few of my sources: American Task Force on Palestine, Uri Avnery, Allan Brownfield, B’Tselem, The Jewish Bulletin, Noam Chomsky, Karen El-Kawa, Thomas Friedman, Gush Shalom, Ha’aretz, Jeff Halper, Amira Hass, International Court of Justice, Jews for Justice in the Middle East, Rabbi Lerner /Tikkun, Gideon Levy, Ilan Pappe, Mazin Qumsiyeh, Rabbis for Human Rights/North America, Tanya Reinhardt, Tom Segev.

r.m. thanks for enlighten me that the u.n. and human right organization where hamas.

on the other note i respect Tom A. but i think he could of had someone that would actually answer questions, and Joan rivers i think did not give the listeners anything good to come out of her talking along with attack Jon Stewart didnt help

Admiral Fallon exemplifies why military intelligence is an oxymoron. Israel broke the cease fire in Gaza. On November 4, 2008 Israel went into Gaza and killed 6 Palestinians breaking the treaty. In May 2008 149 missiles flew into Israel, in June 84 missiles, with minimal damage to Israel. Many innocent Palestinians have died at the hands of Israeli aggression over the same period. On June 18, 2008 the cease fire started, only 3 rockets flew into Israel in the remaining days in June. Over the next 4 months July through August only 15 total rockets flew into Israel, no one was killed. The Israelis admit HAMAS didn’t shoot the rockets, it was done by other groups — most likely the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigade. HAMAS upheld their part of the cease fire.

HAMAS greatly curtailed the amount of rockets shot out of Gaza during the cease fire, while Israel tightened the 3 year embargo on Gaza, by suffocating the economy. Over this period 90% of the industry in Gaza was wiped out and a majority of the people are unemployed. The people of Gaza are starving. This is called genocide and collective punishment, both in breach of international laws. After the cease fire ended, November 4, 68 rockets were fired, in December 52, 13 Israelis have died, while roughly 1,000 Palestinians are dead over 350 of them innocent women and children with their bodies blown to pieces.

Israel is a nation of torturers and butchers of children without any regard for human life. Gaza has been made into a concentration camp. International treaties (Geneva Conventions), human dignity, and human rights means nothing to the Israeli racist theocracy. Israel should be ostracized from the world community. We should boycott Israeli goods and stop, stop all foreign aid to Israel. Admiral Fallon is a purveyor of bogus propaganda, the reason our country consistently ends up on the unjust side of international conflicts.

Admiral Fallon did a terrific job on this interview. Deflecting the loaded questions by this truly liberal talk host was indeed enjoyable to hear after last night’s Bush bash and that crybaby ex-military whosit. I could hear Tom’s teeth grind everytime the Admiral would not throw out a disparaging word about President Bush to feed that bone to the moslty liberal audience.

HUZZAH “FOX”….HUZZAH

Israel has made every effort to protect civilians …as a matter of fact if Palestinians have gotten killed , hamas killed them . their only vision of peace is the complete destruction of Israel .All that hamas had to do was stop sending rockets. Israel left Gaza .in 2005. there were no blockade , border crossing were open . that was too much for hamas .they did not want peace. Naturally after eight years and 5000 rockets sent into Israel by hamas purposely to kill innocents civilians , Israel finally closed the border crossing and there hamas had fabricated their humanitarian crisis so they could get the world’s pity and MONEY (.Arafat made millions and so called wife Suha Arafat is living it up in Paris , never mind the poor Palestinians in the refugee camps )….and cry and cry at the bad , bad Israelis . (Strange how the fatah men about a month ago were escaping hamas and went into Israel’s for protection ….They were so scared of hamas that they were willing to be taken by the Israelis ) . Humanitarian crisis my eye, they had plenty of ammunition and so many tunnels they could smuggle just about anything ..there’s even a picture of a cow going into a tunnel for Ramadan….Are you going to deny the fact that Israel has a right to defend itself ? Where were you to protest the bombing of innocents Israeli Women and children just doing their day to day task , blown to pieces by homicidal suicide bombers .Why no pity on Israelis? are they not humans beings? Why do you deny Israel the right to self defence ? Hamas has sworn Israel’s destruction are you denying that ?

Andrew Dral , those are all fabricated lies ….you are a liar..

Here’s and idea maybe Hamas should cultivate the land instead of firing rockets.

R.M I agree with some of what your saying and some of it is so biased towards Israel that it ruins your arguments.
Israel has made a grave mistake here. Hamas is a terrorist organization with one agenda, to destroy Israel and kill every Jew.

If the Palestinians could have a viable financially stable country I think Hamas would shrink and there agenda would be lees of an issue to most Palestinians.

Will this ever happen, who knows.

You are right about the Guardian it is very anti-Israeli.

I still like reading from time to time. It’s funny that the left wing Brits are so into the Palestinian cause.
This whole mess is there fault and the French.

israel arabs, may be ban to run for office, because there disagree with what the military is doing in gaza,
by the Israeli Beiteinu Party, for not per say being loyal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828118.stm

example
“Meanwhile, Israeli police say they have brought “a number” of Israeli Arabs into police stations who have not committed any crimes, but just to warn them to stay within the law – a move one told me amounted to blatant intimidation.

“They are scared, that’s my reading,” says Ameer Makhoul, who was taken for questioning by a senior officer last week after organising a series of anti-war protests.

“He told me: ‘you are terrorist, you are supporting the enemy’.

“But they cannot tell me how to behave. I am not an immigrant. I didn’t come to Israel – Israel came to me.”

Incidents like this have alarmed some Israeli lawyers, who fear that basic civil rights are being infringed.

Leah Tsemel sees it as part of an ongoing erosion of liberties, one that is corroding the very fabric of her country.

“I cannot promise to my children that they will grow up in a liberal democratic society,” she says.

“Every Arab is seen as the enemy. There is no trust. I can see only a very dark horizon ahead, and we don’t know where it goes.”

im not saying hamas is the good guys but what israel has done the the gazan blatantly boarders on war crimes, and is creating no stop more terrorist

The picture for Rory was somehow deleted ….here it is again ….http://middleeastfacts.com/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=0 maybe reality will sober up some people from their

maybe reality will sober up some people from their delusion :http://middleeastfacts.com/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=0

Shame on you Tom.

Admiral Fallon is a shill, paid for by the Pentagon and the military industrial complex. For once I hope to hear somebody who understands that the “Bad Actors” are the result of history, much of it caused by the US (No, we’re not the only idiots either).

I see this in microcosm in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. OF COURSE, Israel shouldn’t be happy about rockets fired at them…so they kick the snot out of Hamas (the current Bad Actors…there will be others). And Hamas will say, “Ouch, well that sure taught us a lesson. I guess we’ll just be peaceful from now on…NOT! And both the Israelis and Palestinians will try the same failed recipe again and again. As John Wayne said, “Life is hard. It’s harder when you’re stupid.”

Give peace a chance.

Pen Boy .you said:
“If the Palestinians could have a viable financially stable country I think Hamas would shrink and there agenda would be lees of an issue to most Palestinians”

..I don’t think you understand the mentality of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood…The deep rooted hatred of Jews (and Christians , or any other faiths ) has not just appeared with the birth of Israel . its been there since the birth of Islam ..(Strange since Jews were there more than 2000 years before Islam ).Muslims have never been kind to Jews ….At times they were tolerated , but never accepted. There is plenty of history on it ..with the Internet ..you can read about it ….Oriental Jews customs , culture, food , music etc..are middle Eastern and the last generation who escaped from Arab countries speak the Arab language , they now make up 50% the Israeli population. They know what they had to endure in the Arab countries ……So to think that this way of thinking will change in the near future with financial stability is a myth . Saudi Arabia ( I would say is prosperous ,would you ?) is one of the countries were Wahhabism converge ….(15 of the 911 hijackers were Saudi Arabians) . Jews are not allowed to set foot in Saudi Arabia .Ask yourself why?

education of palestinian children :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

as we see r.m refuses to admit israel has done wrong and cherry picks infomation while using twisted sources with a open bias towards everyone except israel. if u wanna follow ur history it starts around the first crusaders,
where u have hamas saying it wants israel to exist and be destroyed, while israel actions is forcefully wiping gaza and pali off the face of the map, excused used hamas, as i recall civilian are such civilians and should not be killed and are not hamas

to note also r.m. is part of a committee call camara that is completly bias, and goal is to put israel in the best light, using intimedation, and other source meassures to press news organzations to report what they think to be right, or there goals, and used as a p.r. or spinnist group to ethier silience critics,indimidate even israel newspapers who disagree with want they want .

MIKE….What B.S….if you are using the tactics of trying to ruin someone’s reputation BECAUSE YOU DON’T LIKE THE TRUTH , Its not going to work …..Shame on you ….You don’t even know who I am …..I don’t join organizations…..period…I am not a follower ……I make my own opinions .If you know I am part of this committee what is my name? . By purposely lying you have just shown that you are unreliable as a speaker for anything …..you better change your name …now …MIKE!….SHAME , SHAME , SHAME …..

The truth is that many innocents are dying and only on one side of this conflict. There is no moral justification for this. None. Any preson that calls themselves religious should be especially ashamed by these acts carried out by a supposed “religious” state. No religion would condone this.

Tom,

Yours is the best interview show on radio, or tv, however what a dissapointment this was. Truth to power? Blowtorch? Really; he wasn’t willing to say anything meaningful about anything. I kept thinking this guy is retired, what is he worried about. Tell us yes, no, or go to hell, but some opinion on something other than it’s a complicated situation and we have to keep all of our options open. The guy couldn’t even bring himself to say what a colossal and tragic mistake the pre-emptive attack on Iraq was. If this guy is representative of our military leaders at the highest level collectively( I don’t think so, there have plenty of voices coming out of retired top military brass that have given their opinions)that no wonder the Bush administration ran roughshod over any suggestion of sound foreign policy.

jack , would you be happy if more Israelis die? ….should israel recieve thousands of rockets , not defend themselves and should hamas kill them all?….What would you do ?…..

Neither you, R.M., nor your little ‘youtube’ video clip is dealing with reality. If you kill a boy’s father or brother, humiliate his mother or sister, and make his people feel totally helpless and weak, what do you expect that boy to do–grow up to love those who killed his father or brother, humiliated his mother or sister, made his people feel totally helpless and weak? Or, would you expect that boy to join with others who have been similarly brutalized and, together, vow never again to be so victimized and fight back against the brutal oppressors? C’mon, wake up to reality!

I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to see anyone die–not Palestinians, not Israelis, not anyone. Okay?

Yuri did you ever think that this little story of yours is a lie? ….You must have heard of Al Durah…did you?

Yuri if you don’t believe me , will you believe a german commentator …http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfFWr8hxh3I

fROM :CAMERA (COMMITTEE FOR ACCURACY IN MIDDLE EAST REPORTING IN AMERICA)
Posted by R.M., on January 7th, 2009 at 9:24 am EST

i do not know your name but posting this u give a insight to what u stand for
odd,huh, but people again r.m. sources have been bbc watch(based in israel and very biased towards everyone except everyone along with CAMERA,.

i recall its a crime to deny the holocaust, as will it be to deny what is going on in gaza and crimes,

and name calling r.m.
mike @7:43 …..Strange how you are repeating exactly what hamas is saying ….
Posted by R.M., on January 14th, 2009 at 7:54 pm EST

would u be reference me to hamas based on this statement,

i like most people in the world wish for the pali to be treated fairly and the murdering of inocents to stop, israel has been guilty of may crimes in excuse of defense
ex. as in Lebanon where the last 36 hours before the truce they drop massive amounts of cluster bombs(which are outlawed in majority of countrys) or after the pm on Lebanon was assassinated they aid and abetted the christian faction to take revenge for 72 hours and kill civilians, know israels use white phosphorous that does high area damage, but being used in crowd area, or we can look at the attack on the U.N.

R.M. your PR parade will not work, the truth will come out.
May the truth set u free from your blindness to the suffering of others

if u have not seen watch

if u have not seen watch

http://www.juancole.com/2009/01/palestinian-girl-israeli-troops.html

Yes, R.M., I do know about al-Durrah. The various accounts of the incident (as reported by the Israelis, Palestinians, French, and British) lead me to believe that no one really knows what happened on that day in 2000(?). And no one can prove what happened, even if the dead boy’s body is exhumed and autopsied. So your point (if, indeed, I understood it) is moot.

My point, on the other hand, was simply this: don’t be surprised by the hatred that Palestinian children grow up with when they have seen with their own eyes what they have seen–the endless suffering of their people under Israeli Occupation for the past sixty years. That is the daily reality that requires no proof. If you suppress and brutalize an entire people for a long time, they will rise up against you. It’s a simple fact of human nature.

R.M. belittles a line of argument by simply calling it a lie but fails to provide any meaningful proof to support his/her charge. Case in point, above Andrew Dral gave a very detailed description of the breakdown of the ceasefire. You resort to calling him a liar but you fail to provide even of shred of counter evidence to support your charge. When you do provide documentation for your positions they are such highly biased sources (CAMERA, etc.) that it is difficult to take you seriously.

I spent 8 years as a witness to the crimes being committed against the Palestinians. Your answer – I must be in the pocket of Hamas. Hamas wasn’t even a factor when I first went over. Have you been to the West Bank or Gaza (not including settlements)? Have you been to refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank or Gaza? I have been to camps in all five fields. I have also spent time in Tel Aviv, Bat Yam, Netanya, Beir Sheva, Elat, and on. I am nobodies shill.

Your kind of rabid apologist for the state of Israel is pathetic and completely transparent. You remind me of Mort Klien who I had the joy of knowing when he was a low level operative the Philadelphia area – completely off balance but people listen to his views because he represents the dominant power. You disgust me.

Here is your paliwood. How do you explain this away R.M.?

It is inconvenient when the truth shines through:

http://youngfoxredux.blogspot.com/2009/01/take-walk-through-gaza.html

yuri and rory you must be kidding …anyone who watches the Al Durah tape can see the truth .,( There are many more Pallywood movies)……..you don’t want to see it , then you are living a lie .In your eyes , Jews are rich whites..( in the US Jews have been successful , 95% are college educated )….who oppress a poor inferior minority who can’t defend themselves and because you know better , you need to play the humanitarian Savior of this third world population .The Arab world is not El Salvador my dears ….Talk about condescending ….

..”eight years ago hamas was not a factor “.please don’t make a fool of yourself …..As far as I can see , maybe you are not in the pocket of hamas , but hamas has you in their pocket ….”.low level operative ” are you playing spy ? be careful …These people are not playing games ,they might want to have you as “Martyrs” just like rachel corrie …..
……………I am certainly not surprised especially since the hatred has always been there ,its a known fact … .As long as their children are taught lies and hatred against Jews , it will never go away ..don’t tell me you have not watched the Arab TV?or you don’t believe that either ..Do you have children and would you teach it to them ?.. anyone who really love their children , would never teach them to hate ….After the genocide of Jews by the Germans ….Did you ever see them become homicidal bombers against the innocent German population? What about the one million Jews kicked out of Arab countries ,all their possessions confiscated…never one single UN resolution ….NO …they just restarted their lives all over again ……Why are you not taking their sides ?They were refugees,?
.I called Andrew Dral a liar because he repeats hamas and hamas are liars ….if you were watching carefully the time line of this recent conflict , you would know its a lie …..I am not going to start writing a book for you ….its all documented and you can look it up.in various non bias newspapers ..after eight years of patience and truces broken ..I think Israel had a right to stop the rockets falling on its civilians ..The reason not many Israelis get hurt , is because Israel protects them in shelters and don’t use them as shields …..again hamas had a choice ….but they keep sending rockets ……Did you tell hamas to stop sending rockets?. You find Camera bias because it takes apart the misinformation and tears it to pieces ……..Anyway …maybe you should freshen up a bit about the history of the conflict ….(.with a non bias book ….)….instead of playing revolutionaries ..”.low level operative” hahahahah ….who are you kidding……grow up…..

Rory , the pictures are horrible some of them look posed .Hamas has done of good job using civilians as shields .They are so crazy , I would not be surprised if they blew up those building themselves for propaganda …So now you know what the pictures the Israelis women and children have been suffering for years with suicide bombings purposely targeted by hamas ….The only difference is that out of respect Israel covers their dead as to not humiliate them and not use them as propaganda …..This is going on all over the world by Muslim militants ….how come you are not outraged by them ? Remember what they say:” we love death and you love life” …..

Is this what you believe also ?:

THE COVENANT OF THE HAMAS – MAIN POINTS

Goals of the HAMAS:
——————
‘The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian

movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is

Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of

Palestine.’ (Article 6)

On the Destruction of Israel:
—————————–
‘Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.’ (Preamble)

The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area:
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The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession]

consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one

can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.’

(Article 11)

‘Palestine is an Islamic land… Since this is the case, the

Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem

wherever he may be.’ (Article 13)

The Call to Jihad:
——————
‘The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the

individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation,

it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.’ (Article 15)

‘Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses

everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the

call of duty, loudly proclaiming: ‘Hail to Jihad!’. This cry will

reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is

achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah’s victory comes about.’

(Article 33)

Rejection of a Negotiated Peace Settlement:
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‘[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and

international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of

the Islamic Resistance Movement… Those conferences are no more than

a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of

Islam… There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by

Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a

waste of time, an exercise in futility.’ (Article 13)

Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:
———————————————-

‘Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle

[against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The

Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar

agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle.

…Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason,

and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.’ (Article 32)

Anti-Semitic Incitement:
————————

‘The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.’ (Article 7)

‘The enemies have been scheming for a long time … and have

accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money,

they took control of the world media… With their money they stirred

revolutions in various parts of the globe… They stood behind the

French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the

revolutions we hear about… With their money they formed secret

organizations – such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions -

which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies

and carry out Zionist interests… They stood behind World War I …

and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the

world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge

financial gains… There is no war going on anywhere without them

having their finger in it.’ (Article 22)

‘Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet

expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have

finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they

will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out

in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.’ (Article 32)

‘The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the

circle of struggle against World Zionism… Islamic groups all over

the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped

for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.’

(Article 32)

Those pictures look staged? Wow – you are delusional. I suppose the media is not to be trusted. You will say anything to deflect the truth. You have again reached stage 3 as detailed above. When the truth gets in the way (in this case when the images disprove the lies) go to stage 3 – deny, deny, deny. Then go back to step 1 – lie, lie, lie. How are they supposed to cover their dead when they being shelled by land, sea, and air? Or is that not really happening? Have you ever seen an attack helicopter at work against civilians? I have. And of course you didn’t answer my question – have you ever been to a Palestinian refugee camp?

Finally, please do not assume that I support Hamas or their charter. I do not. I will return the favor – I will not assume that you are a member of the Jewish Defense League, the Jewish National Front (Baruch Marzel), Kach (Meir Kahane), Kahane Chai (Binyamin Ze’ev Kahane), the Yesha Council, or any of the other hate-spewing racist religious groups that make up the Israeli right wing.

I do support justice, human rights, and the application of international law. Do you?

The corruption of man is followed by the corruption of language

one day you will have to grow up ……

That’s it? An admonishment to “grow up” and an accusation of corruption? That’s all you have? Truly pathetic.

Your refusal to address direct questions leaves little doubt that you have never put your feet on the ground, and that you pontificate from the safety of your desk. Go have a look around. Go and see the reality that your words support.

The truth behind your lies is transparent. It has always been obvious for those who cared to investigate, but the current slaughter of civilians in Gaza has made it plain for the world to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

Israel is an even worse democracy than Iraq. I guess expectations should have been low for a Jewish island in a sea of Muslims. We need to discover the Palestinian’s .
Mandela, if he or she hasn’t been killed already by his captors.

Enough, R.M., with the ad hominem attacks.

What some of us have been trying to tell you is that innocent civilians have been killed on both sides, but very disproportionately on one side.

You would argue that Israel is not killing innocent people on purpose. Of what comfort, though, is it to the dead person that his killers didn’t mean to kill him? It is the result that counts. And the count of Palestinian deaths now is very high, indeed. Do you deny that simple fact?

I was going to ask if you ever heard of Deir Yassin…or Tantura…or Dawayma…or Qibya…but there are many websites that reference these massacres.

Concerning your comment about Arab children raised on anti-Israel propaganda, have you ever read Adir Cohen’s book, “An Ugly Face in the Mirror,” about raising Israeli children on anti-Arab propaganda?

thank u rory, yuri, and the rest for giving information and backing for your points or view, and what most people who care to investigate can see for themselves,

r.m. rants sound like the rants of iran’s president and the groups u said the holocaust did not happen. and just saying because this group is a threat to use or could be means justify killing over a thousand people now or anyone be it hamas,u.n. children, women, inocents and not allowing reporters there, does not, should not, will not work. and than to say whats is happening there is not actually happening or is just as worst as iran’s president saying the same about the jews.

both are wrong and should not have such justification for them.

have you see the the PA schoolbooks?http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2009/01/admiral-william-fox-fallon-scans-the-horizon/comment-page-1/#comment-9369

if you are so strong on your convictions about Israel . Maybe you should also work to give back the middle east to the Ottoman empire that the British and the french eventually divided ….Get the properties and compensations for the one million Jews kicked out of Arab countries and Palestine .All the money and properties taken from them all over Europe , Swiss bank accounts etc…..also maybe you should all go back to your ancestral countries and give everything you own back to the native Americans …India should get back Pakistan ….Miami Cubans should get back all their properties that were taken away from them during the Cuban Revolution ….Let put everything back …….We can go on and on and on and on…..We have to be fair now….

r.m. arguements ares as silly as his posting, he makes references will no backing(p.r. propaganda does not count as evidences) than denies that civilians are being killed by isreal, denies israel treatment to arabs in israel, states their no problem in taking land people are on as long as u think it was yours 1000 years ago, and how dare u say otherwise, denies israel collective punishment and unjust treatment towards gazans and even the arabs who peacefully protested in israel, he refers to a youtube video of children wearing hamas gear and their charter, but neglects to tell that israel is doing far worst than whats in there charter and israel is by doing so surging up hamas support by killing women, children, civilians innocents,

I do recall when one country or group intentionally destroys a another group way to sustain itself, it does fall into war crimes, along with collective punishment of a whole group of people, dont forget the raid in November by israel which killed 6 gazans, causing gazans to fire rockets, than than another raid which lead to hamas saying there be no cease-fire, along with not lifting the blockade

who’s denying ….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE

Those are your nice buddies

yes those great democracies in the Arab world !!!!and middle east hahahahah you are a joke

So tiresome. Try working for a real solution – one based on justice and equality for all, not just a chosen few.

Rory , “a Chosen few” ….Your real true nature is coming out ….yes tell me more …..