Comments on: Closing Guantanamo http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details On Point is a live, two-hour morning news-analysis program, produced by WBUR 90.9 and NPR. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:57:17 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: chris coleman http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-11291 chris coleman Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:12:52 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-11291 That's great Osama-I mean Obama. Yeah, shut Gitmo down and set the prisoners free. Where? Next door to your house. I don't think so. Back to our neighborhoods to plan their next terrorist attack. Bush may have acted dumb, but at least he had balls, and the protection of America in mind after 9/11. Everyone likes to forget that he stepped up in a critical time in our Nations History. That’s great Osama-I mean Obama. Yeah, shut Gitmo down and set the prisoners free. Where? Next door to your house. I don’t think so. Back to our neighborhoods to plan their next terrorist attack. Bush may have acted dumb, but at least he had balls, and the protection of America in mind after 9/11. Everyone likes to forget that he stepped up in a critical time in our Nations History.

]]> By: coffee http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9902 coffee Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:02:36 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9902 closing Guantanamo represents a step in the right direction; pretty soon the U.S. will be able to join the world community once again closing Guantanamo represents a step in the right direction; pretty soon the U.S. will be able to join the world community once again

]]> By: SSGT USAF Sheldon "Chip"Rice http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9850 SSGT USAF Sheldon "Chip"Rice Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:34:39 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9850 Hi Tom,to the USAF Reserve Major and Professor Waxman: This is Chip,(former USAF Security Forces Security Police and 919th Special Operations Group,50th TFW Security Police Hahn AB Germany,315th SFS Charleston AB SC and 332nd Expeditionary Security Forces Kuwait)from Columbia South Carolina. Thank You for your show on Gitmo. Of course anyone can speculate on GITMO on Abu Gahrib,on the many secret CIA etc jails under the Bush Regime and those currently in place. But I stand behind the President's decision I am glad you had the JAG Major on and Professor Waxman. They seem to agree with President Obama's decision also. So many questions what to do with those "innocent Chinese Prisoners",that 16 yr old losing his eye-sight from your show and then the real bad guys that would only get out like some have and go back to killing Americans again. I don't carry my m-16 or my police badge anymore my connection from Special OPS has long been retired. I can only hope and pray that when GITMO closes that our Commander in Chief will have made the right decision for us all. Hi Tom,to the USAF Reserve Major and Professor Waxman: This is Chip,(former USAF Security Forces Security Police and 919th Special Operations Group,50th TFW Security Police Hahn AB Germany,315th SFS Charleston AB SC and 332nd Expeditionary Security Forces Kuwait)from Columbia South Carolina. Thank You for your show on Gitmo. Of course anyone can speculate on GITMO on Abu Gahrib,on the many secret CIA etc jails under the Bush Regime and those currently in place. But I stand behind the President’s decision I am glad you had the JAG Major on and Professor Waxman. They seem to agree with President Obama’s decision also. So many questions what to do with those “innocent Chinese Prisoners”,that 16 yr old losing his eye-sight from your show and then the real bad guys that would only get out like some have and go back to killing Americans again. I don’t carry my m-16 or my police badge anymore my connection from Special OPS has long been retired. I can only hope and pray that when GITMO closes that our Commander in Chief will have made the right decision for us all.

]]> By: Shaman http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9839 Shaman Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:02:08 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9839 I feel so sorry for people who think Guantanamo should stay open. Guantanamo is a disgrace to America. Thinking that terrorists will be 'let loose' as a result shows how Bush has failed in yet another area - education. Bush taught Americans like Tiger (above) nothing about our country. Bush was a bastard! I feel so sorry for people who think Guantanamo should stay open.

Guantanamo is a disgrace to America.

Thinking that terrorists will be ‘let loose’ as a result shows how Bush has failed in yet another area – education.

Bush taught Americans like Tiger (above) nothing about our country. Bush was a bastard!

]]> By: Nicholas Trott Long http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9838 Nicholas Trott Long Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:06:19 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9838 I was dismayed to hear this program promoted as a discussion of Pres. Obama's closure of the Guantanamo camp for terrorists. Tom Ashcroft you should have known better! The reason why the camp must be shut down, and why it never should have been created in the first place is that the Bush administration's ineptitude made it impossible to determine whether any of the detainees who were kidnapped by U.S. forces and brought there were, in fact, terrorists. Quite apart from any moral questions, the outrages committed against the detainees at Guantanamo ensured that any "intelligence" gained has been worthless. Even under the arbitrary and standard-less criteria employed by Bush, 2/3rds of the detainees were released prior to January 20 without explanation and certainly without any apology to those whose lives we destroyed so that the Government could appear to be responding substantively to the 9/11 attacks. Throughout history, sacrificing due process of law in the name of national security has been a hallmark of tyranny and has rarely even provided the claimed security. As Benjamin Franklin told us long ago, "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." I was dismayed to hear this program promoted as a discussion of Pres. Obama’s closure of the Guantanamo camp for terrorists. Tom Ashcroft you should have known better! The reason why the camp must be shut down, and why it never should have been created in the first place is that the Bush administration’s ineptitude made it impossible to determine whether any of the detainees who were kidnapped by U.S. forces and brought there were, in fact, terrorists.

Quite apart from any moral questions, the outrages committed against the detainees at Guantanamo ensured that any “intelligence” gained has been worthless. Even under the arbitrary and standard-less criteria employed by Bush, 2/3rds of the detainees were released prior to January 20 without explanation and certainly without any apology to those whose lives we destroyed so that the Government could appear to be responding substantively to the 9/11 attacks.

Throughout history, sacrificing due process of law in the name of national security has been a hallmark of tyranny and has rarely even provided the claimed security. As Benjamin Franklin told us long ago, “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

]]> By: mike http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9836 mike Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:24:15 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9836 good that these fools presidents is finally gone and still think bush did a great job know our country can use thought-out and intelligent thinking instead of hate and fear and shooting from the hip thinking that got us into this mess. and no bush has not made use safer. as i recall most of the bush speeches on keeping us safer were him tilling use we are not safe and there threats everywhere. nice try though good that these fools presidents is finally gone and still think bush did a great job

know our country can use thought-out and intelligent thinking instead of hate and fear and shooting from the hip thinking that got us into this mess. and no bush has not made use safer. as i recall most of the bush speeches on keeping us safer were him tilling use we are not safe and there threats everywhere.

nice try though

]]> By: David http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9833 David Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:10:09 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9833 Hey, lets shut the place down, move the poor terrorist to America so our lawyers can have them on our streets within a few weeks. Barney Frank said they could come to his state and stay in one of their medium security prisons. Gitmo is officially closed. Americans are happy, the world is happy, I am happy and the terrorist are happy. Why waste a perfectly good prison. Nobody in the world wants these people, except us maybe, why not leave then there till they are either tried or released. We would save so much money that way and these people, who hate America anyway, would not have to be forced to come here. I live in terror everyday in my own backyard, my house is a security zone, my neighborhood is full of dope dealers, thiefs and robbers. Tuesday nite, a husband in an attempt to retrieve his wife from a dope house,was beaten up and shot in the back trying to run to his car to escape. His dead body lay in the middle of the road till a car coming by nearly ran over him. This was just down the road from the biggest dope dealer in the county. Yes People!!! lets have bleeding-hearts for the evil people of the world, we have done a great job of it here in America. Hey, lets shut the place down, move the poor terrorist to America so our lawyers can have them on our streets within a few weeks. Barney Frank said they could come to his state and stay in one of their medium security prisons. Gitmo is officially closed. Americans are happy, the world is happy, I am happy and the terrorist are happy. Why waste a perfectly good prison. Nobody in the world wants these people, except us maybe, why not leave then there till they are either tried or released. We would save so much money that way and these people, who hate America anyway, would not have to be forced to come here. I live in terror everyday in my own backyard, my house is a security zone, my neighborhood is full of dope dealers, thiefs and robbers. Tuesday nite, a husband in an attempt to retrieve his wife from a dope house,was beaten up and shot in the back trying to run to his car to escape. His dead body lay in the middle of the road till a car coming by nearly ran over him. This was just down the road from the biggest dope dealer in the county. Yes People!!! lets have bleeding-hearts for the evil people of the world, we have done a great job of it here in America.

]]> By: Tiger http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9828 Tiger Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:32:15 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9828 Shaman - embodiment of the Obama vision...can't get over '00 and '04 and proud of the scumbag Clinton...(he thanked Monica with perfect diction) Shaman – embodiment of the Obama vision…can’t get over ‘00 and ‘04 and proud of the scumbag Clinton…(he thanked Monica with perfect diction)

]]> By: Shaman http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9826 Shaman Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:38:06 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9826 By the way, nothing highlights the complete abject idiocy of the Bush years - the interminable damnation of that horrific president from hell - like the incompetent use of language. Beautiful to hear today the words from a White House press secretary saying "Closing Guantanamo will make us safer". You ask what took so friggin' long? Damned Bush. That is what took so damn long! With every day that passes Bush looks dumber - which I didn't think possible. Couldn't possibly be happier with Obama today. He vindicated my vote in one stroke of his pen! Obama has salvaged everything I believe in about America. By the way, nothing highlights the complete abject idiocy of the Bush years – the interminable damnation of that horrific president from hell – like the incompetent use of language.

Beautiful to hear today the words from a White House press secretary saying “Closing Guantanamo will make us safer”.

You ask what took so friggin’ long?
Damned Bush. That is what took so damn long! With every day that passes Bush looks dumber – which I didn’t think possible.

Couldn’t possibly be happier with Obama today. He vindicated my vote in one stroke of his pen! Obama has salvaged everything I believe in about America.

]]> By: Shaman http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9825 Shaman Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:31:00 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9825 I love that sanity is returning to government! How saavy and brilliant is this new president! May he next shut down the idiotic and damnably missnamed "war on terror" and return terrorism to what it should be, namely a criminal act suitable for criminal prosecution. I love that sanity is returning to government! How saavy and brilliant is this new president!

May he next shut down the idiotic and damnably missnamed “war on terror” and return terrorism to what it should be, namely a criminal act suitable for criminal prosecution.

]]> By: JEHL http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9824 JEHL Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:26:27 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9824 I almost choked when I heard Carol Rosenberg at the top of show tell us in such sensitive tones how Bin Laden's driver (Salim Hamdan)had been released and was home and was enjoying the company of the child who he had never seen before. How about all of the families from 9/11 who will never get to see their loved ones come home? Salim Hamdan was a part of, and supported the chief executive of the organization that executed this attack. More people were killed on 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor. Any Japanese service men who were captured early in the war remained POW's of the US until the end of hostilities, and not a day less. This applied to everyone from the highest general to the lowest clerk. If al-Qaeda were a foreign country, Salim Hamdan wouldn't have had a chance to see his child until al-Qaeda gave up it's war on the US. To date this hasn't happened. It seems to me that Salim Hamdan got off easier then he should have. I almost choked when I heard Carol Rosenberg at the top of show tell us in such sensitive tones how Bin Laden’s driver (Salim Hamdan)had been released and was home and was enjoying the company of the child who he had never seen before. How about all of the families from 9/11 who will never get to see their loved ones come home? Salim Hamdan was a part of, and supported the chief executive of the organization that executed this attack.

More people were killed on 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor. Any Japanese service men who were captured early in the war remained POW’s of the US until the end of hostilities, and not a day less. This applied to everyone from the highest general to the lowest clerk. If al-Qaeda were a foreign country, Salim Hamdan wouldn’t have had a chance to see his child until al-Qaeda gave up it’s war on the US. To date this hasn’t happened. It seems to me that Salim Hamdan got off easier then he should have.

]]> By: JSR (Rags847) http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9819 JSR (Rags847) Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:37:02 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9819 Guest of the state? Tropical resort patron? Abducted persons? Hostages? Guest of the state?

Tropical resort patron?

Abducted persons?

Hostages?

]]> By: Gordon http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9812 Gordon Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:58:33 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9812 Why are we using the word "detainee"? I don't recall hearing this word much before 9/11. It implies a kind of temporary and convenient legal limbo. The more accurate word is "prisoner," and using it is important because it implies a less ambiguous legal status. Why are we using the word “detainee”? I don’t recall hearing this word much before 9/11. It implies a kind of temporary and convenient legal limbo. The more accurate word is “prisoner,” and using it is important because it implies a less ambiguous legal status.

]]> By: MOHAMMED N. RAZAVI http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9811 MOHAMMED N. RAZAVI Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:41:47 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9811 Shutting down Guantanamo is great, will be great, but as long as we have "Close" relationships with regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and China to name but a few, it is but an eye wash. Shutting down Guantanamo is great, will be great, but as long as we have “Close” relationships with regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and China to name but a few, it is but an eye wash.

]]> By: rudi Aldridge http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9809 rudi Aldridge Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:28:56 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9809 Evil done in your name is insidious in that if you are cognizant of it it becomes your sin unless you act against it. I hope God will forgive me for my trivial efforts aginst torture and false imprisonment. I am thankful that Obama is working to remove this stain from my soul. Evil done in your name is insidious in that if you are cognizant of it it becomes your sin unless you act against it. I hope God will forgive me for my trivial efforts aginst torture and false imprisonment. I am thankful that Obama is working to remove this stain from my soul.

]]> By: JSR (Rags847) http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9807 JSR (Rags847) Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:24:06 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9807 Why couldn't the senate or congress have shutdown Guantanamo? Has this ever been discussed? What mechanisms exist (if any) to reverse a President's decision short of impeachment? Why couldn’t the senate or congress have shutdown Guantanamo?

Has this ever been discussed?

What mechanisms exist (if any) to reverse a President’s decision short of impeachment?

]]> By: Charles Wegrzyn http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9806 Charles Wegrzyn Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:21:36 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9806 After two years Obama is here!!!!!!! After two years Obama is here!!!!!!!

]]> By: mike http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/01/closing-guantanamo-the-devils-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-9804 mike Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:55:21 +0000 http://www.onpointradio.org/?p=13630#comment-9804 this place should be closed, it a stain on our great nation. ty obama, the country and world wants this,besides the small simpleminded,hateful and fearful few this place should be closed, it a stain on our great nation.

ty obama, the country and world wants this,besides the small simpleminded,hateful and fearful few

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