
Comedian Joan Rivers arrives for the 11th Annual Mark Twain Prize for Humor, honoring the late George Carlin, at the Kennedy Center in Washington on Monday, Nov. 10, 2008. (AP)
Comedienne and entertainment icon Joan Rivers speaks her mind. Always has.
She spoke it back in her Borscht Belt days, struggling to break into comedy when women were not exactly welcome. Back in Mafia clubs so rough, she says, that when they passed the hat “pieces of Jimmy Hoffa would show up.”
Now, at 75, Joan Rivers is still making a big noise. She’s got a red-carpet murder mystery coming out. She’s all over plastic surgery — as a champion and prime example.
And she still tells it just the way she sees it.
This hour, On Point: A conversation with Joan Rivers.
You can join the conversation. Has Joan Rivers kept you laughing through the decades? Kept you cringing? Both? What’s your most memorable Joan Rivers moment?
-Tom Ashbrook
Guest:
Joan Rivers joins us from New York. Comedienne, Emmy Award-winning television talk-show host, Tony-nominated actress, best-selling author, playwright, screenwriter, film director, columnist, and grandmother. Her new book is “Men Are Stupid… And They Like Big Boobs: A Woman’s Guide to Beauty Through Plastic Surgery.” And, out in February, her new mystery novel, her first, “Murder at the Academy Awards.”
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I just want to thank Joan….my mother passed away almost 3 years ago and she was such a huge fan of hers. Mom bought Joan’s line from QVC and it always gave her pleasure toward the end of her life when she and I would watch Joan on QVC together. I will always cherish the pieces from Joan’s collection my mother bought and will never sell them….thanks for the special memories Joan….
Posted by MARINA, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:23 am ESTHere’s a Joan Rivers memory/reference. A few years ago in “Mothering” magazine, I read a reader comment that brought Joan Rivers together with a hilarious mother/chid moment. I can only paraphrase as best as I can remember it.
A four-year-old girl, still breastfeeding, heard her mother say she might be old enough now to stop nursing. The daughter stared at her mother with a “Joan Rivers you have got to be kidding look” and said: “If I am too old to be nursing, then why are you still wearing breasts?!”
Posted by Mary Craig, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:25 am ESTJoan Rivers: She’s just not that interesting. She’sself-absorbed without sufficient insight to merit this kind of time for an OnPoint audience.
Posted by Dion, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am ESTI have a question for Joan Rivers and it is difficult to get through.
Posted by JD King, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am ESTI recently purchased an old hotel in Tupper Lake, NY. It used to be called “The Wheel Inn” I have been told that Joan celebrated her birthday here a number of times. I would love to authenticate this story. I have always appreciated her humor and originality. I would appreciate if you could even ask her for me and just e-mail yes or no. Of course, you could give her my number. I would love to here it in her own voice. My cell is 813-362-8760
Thank you,
J D King
Hi Joan,
Posted by maureen reilly meagher, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:33 am ESTHow about a joke from the 80’s.Speaking of the current starlet of choice”She has breasts,boobs,that could nurse all of Angola.I have been living off that since.I love you always have.Can a 50 year old get a nose job?
I suppose I meant I would love to “hear” It.
Posted by JD King, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:35 am ESTI love Joan. I remember in one of her books she said that when she was at her husbands funeral she loved it when people made her laugh. She said that always try and make those who are grieving laugh. I took her advice and when I attend the funerals of close friends and relatives I try and make them laugh. This year I lost both my parents within a month. At the funeral those who made me laugh those terrible days helped me get through it.
Love
Peg
Posted by Peg Anderson, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:35 am ESTI love Joan’s honsety about plastic surgery! I’m from Brazil and everyone gets plastic surgery and it’s not taboo. I think here in the states there is an unfortunate belief that the perfect look of celebrities is due solely to a healthy diet and excercise regime and it’s not just that. Women in the real world then begin to believe that there is something wrong with them because they can’t look like the rich and famous. In Brazil we all know that gravity will eventually take its toll and there is nothing wrong with a little nip and tuck to put things back in place. It does not make you a bad or shallow person.
Posted by Aline Da Fonseca, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:41 am ESTJoan Rivers , thank you for speaking out about Gaza….
Posted by R.M., on January 14th, 2009 at 11:56 am ESTboring, and not very funny, if sarah s. got her stuff from her i feel bad for both,
Posted by mike, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am ESTOMG, Joan, tell us what you REALLY think. I’m holding my sides.
Posted by Janice, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:58 am ESTRegardless of what anyone may think about Joan Rivers, I thought the entire interview was (as she would say) TERRIFIC. Tom’s questions were to the point and brought out so many aspects of JR that I didn’t know about. She has a lot to say that is worth hearing and this interview was a credit to both participants.
Posted by Macwebster, on January 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pm ESTMr Ashbrook I have been a dedicated listener for years.I would just like to say i totally disagree with Joan Rivers perspective on Israel and Palestine.How could a person of her character be so biased and ignorant.Who is she to pass judgement on some of the worlds best actors as well as Justifying a massacre on innocent Palestinian civilians with her display of heartless words its very misfortunate that she has any popularity and her hateful adolescent views is a good example of the wrong influence.Do to her ethnicity she seems to outcast anyone who doesent suppourt the injustices and oppresion that her precious Israel has bestowed upon this world.
Posted by George Nassif, on January 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pm ESTSelf Absorbed Self Loathing Joan Rivers please dont invite her back i get quivers just listening to her scratchy voice..
Posted by George Nassif, on January 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm ESTWhat a hypocrite! She doesn’t like it when celebrities yell at waiters and others who are in no position to answer them back. How about Rivers, herself, attacking the character of Johnny Carson, who, being dead, is surely not in a position to answer her base charges?
In regard to her impatience with those who think that the Israeli response in Gaza is excessive, I wonder what she thinks about the decades-long Occupation that has resulted in thousands of Palestinian deaths, as well as well as the destruction of Palestine and the endless collective punishment of its people.
Make ‘em laugh, Joan.
Posted by Yuri, on January 14th, 2009 at 12:17 pm ESTI missed part of today’s interview, apparently the part where Tom got thought it would be enlightening to get a celebrity’s perspective on one of the most polarizing issues of our time. I find it hard to take the perspective of most Jewish Americans seriously on this issue. Most have such blind devotion to Israel that they cannot be seen as enlightened.
I apparently also missed the questions about how she would solve the current economic crisis, where she stands on global warming and the troubles in the Congo.
Aside from this, I find it interesting that her interview attracted more interest than yesterday’s 1st hour lovefest. I think Joan would agree that if Hillary had stroked Bill as much as she did Lugar and Kerry yesterday, Bill would have gotten into a lot less trouble.
Posted by Majawill, on January 14th, 2009 at 12:31 pm ESTI’ve seldom watched Joan Rivers and what I’ve seen of her I don’t like. She is mean spirited and a horrible role model for young women. She is all about denying herself and denying her true identy. All the plastic surgery is sad and freakish.
She spoke of loving the classic English gentleman because they never speak down to the less powerful but she behaves in the exact opposite manner. She is rude and cruel to everyone and her humor now has sparked another generation of comics who don’t know how to make a joke without an insult.
Give me Ellen DeGeneres anyday over Joan Rivers. Her humor isn’t at the expense of others.
Posted by Carolyn, on January 14th, 2009 at 12:50 pm ESTThank you for speak out your mind, very interesting.
Posted by Fabian, on January 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pm ESTFreedon to speak in that way… only in America!
Love to you!!!!
Mr. Ashbrook apparently has a history of giving has-been Jewish comics the opportunity to take potshots at the Palestinians.
When he hosted an evening show in March of 2004,he let Jackie Mason go off on a rabid, racist rant against all Palestinians without demur.
I don’t understand how he could allow these so-called comics a public platform to spew their anti-Palestinian venom.
Posted by George V., on January 14th, 2009 at 7:59 pm ESTMs Rivers comes across as vitriolic about ordinary human processes, dressed as crusty, narcissistic humor barely masking fear and loathing. Whew! sounds exhausting.
Hopefully better guests and dialogues upcoming, Tom.
Posted by BAS, on January 14th, 2009 at 8:11 pm ESTIt’s just sad. She’s very funny and strong.
Why hold out for someone who likes you just the way you are when you can acquire phenotypic features of the dominant culture?
If fact, as a public figure, JR is just making it worse for women (and men) by surrendering to a culture of ‘monkey brain,’ impulses and worshiping one’s insecurities.
Posted by Frederic C., on January 14th, 2009 at 8:34 pm ESTI am a devoted On Point listener, but this was just about the worst hour of radio I have ever heard.
Joan Rivers is deplorable — small-minded, mean-spirited, ignorant, and not even funny! I hate to stoop to her level of judging people based superficially on their appearances, but she’s not even beautiful — her one claim to greatness — she looks like a glossed up robot!
Her characterizations of feminism, both those who advannced it in the past and its aims and achievements today, are totally distorted and do women no favors.
Her official bio says she epitomizes class — and yet she wastes an hour of public broadcasting trashing other people with baseless claims.
And THEN her ignorant rant on the crisis in Gaza: “I’m so tired of hearing those ‘poor Palestinians’… this is madness, and I don’t get it.” The only accurate thing she said the whole: admitting she doesn’t “get it”!! She obviously doesn’t know a damn thing about the Middle East, the geopolitics of the Israel-Palestine conflict, or the realities on the ground in Gaza, where nearly 1,000 Palestinians have been killed, while 13 Israelis have die — several of whom by their own weapons! How can she be allowed to drone on without a single clarification of the facts?
Tom, you’re brilliant, you consistently bring us timely, engaging, insightful, balanced, and truly entertaining shows; please stop wasting our time with such foolish filth!
Posted by elena, on January 14th, 2009 at 9:02 pm ESTAlways controversial, always funny (yes!) and always brilliant. Joan is a strong woman with a brilliant mind, which doesn’t always sit well with everyone. I happen to adore Joan and her wonderful humor and her down-to-earth demeanor. I met her briefly once and she was the most gracious and kind celebrity anyone could hope to meet. Love her!!!!
Posted by Scott, on January 14th, 2009 at 10:24 pm ESTThis woman should be in jail. Saying the 9/11 wifes are better off with the 5million than with their husband is no better than the terorrists who killed them. How come we prosecute anyone who is a threat to our security, but we allow monsters like her disgrace these victim’s memories. Tom Ashbrook, you played accomplice to this, don’t you feel it was a big mistake to put her on the show?
Posted by Sandy, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:01 pm ESTOne more thing: I have long been supporting WBUR with my hard earned dollars. I don’t feel it’s appropriate any longer to give money to a radio station that’s moral standard has swayed so far from mine. I like widely conflicting and diverse views but I personally know 9/11 victim families and I feel ashamed that public media had aired this “joke” or “view”.
Posted by Sandy, on January 14th, 2009 at 11:23 pm ESTJoan Rivers on On Point?
Bizarre.
Who’s next, Sarah Silverman?
They are both have brains but no hearts.
Posted by Frederic C., on January 15th, 2009 at 12:11 am EST“Freedon to speak in that way… only in America!”
I guess from this perspective, from a previous comment, which I agree with, she is free to say anything she wants. I just wish someone had given her insight on issues she had judged.
Posted by Sandy, on January 15th, 2009 at 12:51 am ESTWow. Gaza? Too bad you can’t buy a heart and something for that sagging spirit.
Posted by ecco, on January 15th, 2009 at 9:52 am ESTWhile I find Ms. Rivers’ real attitude towards the conflict in Gaza totally offensive (the post by “ecco” couldn’t state it better), I don’t believe such voices should be censored from public radio. *That* would be the big mistake. As for her comedy, I think it must be critiqued separately, just like the actor versus the person. Many comedians (funny to me or not) choose controversial topics to “joke” about in part to simply make absurd humor and in part to truly rattle people (think Dennis Leary or Bill Maher for example). Ms. Rivers definitely manages it, and I admit to laughing at some of her material on the show.
Posted by r. gibbons, on January 15th, 2009 at 11:58 am ESTSandy, it would be a shame to stop supporting this generally wonderful program. I hope you dont mean it!
Posted by r. gibbons, on January 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm ESTHelp the aged.
I forgot my most important point; (elective)plastic surgery does not make most people look ‘better,’ Joan Rivers included. Just look at the picture above. She just does not look right.
Sure, isolated sections of the face may be made more taught, but my overall impression of someone receiving plastic surgery for racial reasons (to look more Nordic &c.) is that they are disfigured.
Posted by Frederic C., on January 15th, 2009 at 12:59 pm ESTI never said censored. Look what happened to Don Imus for one silly and very inappropriate comment. Was he fired for what he said? Joking about jews and blond germans in leather? 9/11 victims and their families? How is that any more excusable?
Posted by Sandy, on January 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pm ESTIf my father died on the plane, how would I feel to hear this: my daddy died the most terrifying death, but we are better off without him because we got money???? This is the story told in public media. It makes me cry.
I’m not sure I agree with Joan on the amount of plastic surgery that’s required to make somebody look good, but she is a darling on the radio – a pleasure to listen to. And thank you for speaking out about the current conflict in Gaza – NPR desperately needs some common sense on this!
Posted by IMK, on January 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm ESTAs a Jewish woman, Joan Rivers has always made me cringe. Her humor represents the worst type of stereotype that hopefully is falling out of fashion. As for her support of plastic surgery, I see nothing wrong with a nip or tuck when it is warranted, but Joan, honey, you look like a house cat.
Posted by Melissa R., on January 15th, 2009 at 9:16 pm ESTDear Joan Rivers,
I would argue the “misery” you speak about your mother is not a result of gravity, rather, from a lifetime of lack of opportunity, choices, and options because of her gender.
Posted by Gala, on January 16th, 2009 at 1:54 pm ESTI know this show was two weeks ago, but this is the first chance I’ve had to comment. (I hope Tom Ashbrook still reads these things.)
Posted by Nola, on February 5th, 2009 at 12:24 pm ESTA day or two before Joan Rivers was on pushing plastic surgery, Nora Ephron was a guest and also spoke positively about it.
I am bothered on two counts: first most people I know cannot afford such surgery, so using that method to appear younger is only viable to a small percentage of people. Second I think we are all better served by someone who can speak to the challenges of and value in “growing old graciously,” rather than focusing on denial. Growing old is not for the faint of heart; it takes courage!
Reading the comment from Scott who said he met Joan once briefly and she was the most gracious and kind celebrity one could ever meet is refreshing. I think Joan has a delightfully warped sense of humor that comes across as very bitter and mean spirited. But beneath it there is this nurturing side to her that always makes it sound like she’s talking directly to you like you’re the only person in the world and she’s giving you her undivided attention. I think a lot of people don’t like her because she’s been around forever like Regis Philbin and longevity breeds getting fed up with celebrities, especially the ones who are very public like her and talk incessantly. Her scratchy voice has never endeared people to her either…. Johnny Carson was a creep and she’s right about him. How could he get so angry over her getting her own talk show on Fox? What did he think, he owned her? Instead of wishing her well and showing some class for a supposed icon of his stature, he never spoke to her again.
Posted by Peter Seligson, on February 7th, 2009 at 2:00 am ESTThis interview was very awkward. It was because of Tom not Joan. Tom you were off on this interview. I heart Joan Rivers.
Posted by David, on March 21st, 2009 at 1:47 am EDTEven now, months later, I still remember Rivers’ sarcastic dismissal of Palestinian suffering during the recent Israeli assault on Gaza: “Those poor Palestinians,” she said, her tone clearly indicating she had no sympathy at all. What an awful woman.
PS: Before anyone says it, What Hamas does or doesn’t do isn’t relevant here; I’m not a Hamas supporter in any case. I just feel profound sadness for the 1000+ Palestinians killed and the thousands more wounded during the Israeli assault.
Posted by Ted, on March 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 pm EDT