If Jack Beatty repeats his call for a single state solution to the Arab israeli conflict which in effect will mean the “final solution” to the Jewish State I am turning off the radio and will never listen to you or contribute to your station again.

The desire to have a Jewish state is a racist desire.

The desire to wipe Israel off the map is a rasist desire. The desire to create the islamic state in its place is a barbaric desire. I support Israel. In fact, if Bush kicked ass of Hamas and Hizbolla instead of being mired in Iraq I would have supported Bush.

Efraim: Jack is entitled to his opinion and it doesn’t have to reflect yours. Do you mean to say that you only listen to radio shows that support your opinion and if they don’t you think they should be pulled off the air (because you’re pulling your donations)?

Do you really donate to NPR or to WBUR anyway? Doesn’t sound like it.

If there was a button here that said “make a donation to directly support Jack Beatty” I’d push it every Friday like clockwork.

Posted by Efraim,
If Jack Beatty repeats his call for a single state solution…..I am turning off the radio and will never listen to you or contribute to your station again.
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Efraim,
how old are you? You sound like a spoiled 5-year old. However if you are over 18 and of Jewish heritage, why are you not currently enlisted in the Israeli army fighting those evil A-rabs?

Since we are NOT the United States of Israel Mr. Beatty has the right to speak his mind in our country. Since 3-5 Billion of our hard-earned tax dollars are sent to Israel YEARLY, all U.S. citizens have the right to speak their minds on this issue. I used to have a lot of sympathy for the plight of the Jewish people, but after the constant bashing of Persians and this last attack on Gaza, I no longer view them as the victims.

Until we start electing Independent candidates to Congress, we will continue to waste money dealing with Israel’s problems. With only 300 million people in the U.S., imagine what 3 Billion in tax-returns could do to help in our current financial crisis. Let APAC fund their bloody wars.

Ann-Marrie: “I used to have a lot of sympathy for the plight of the Jewish people”

Israel is not the Jewish people nor is it the Capital of Jewish people nor do all Jewish people support everything Israel does.

Careful with the sweeping generalizations.

There is no right side of this messy issue.

Wow lets dump on the Jews. How original.

Ann-Marie why do you blame Israel for everything in your comments? Are you so full of antisemitism that you wish the Jews to stop being a problem?

Why not any hatred for the Islamic states that we send money to who let their families murder daughters and hang gays?

Where is your anger at the Islamic countries that will sanction the maiming of young girls?

Where is your anger at the Islamic countries that would jail you for the comments you have posted here?

Where is your anger at the Islamic countries that still use slave labor?

Where is your anger at the Islamic countries that oppress their people and support terrorism?

Where is your anger for the Islamic inspired wholesale murder of thousands in Darfur?

It’s too easy to blame the Jews for all the problems in the world. It’s also thinly veiled antisemitism right out of the Protocols of Zion.

George Bush will be gone – Hurrah !!!!!

The biggest problem we will have with his legacy will be the attemps of his followers to RE-WRITE history trying to make his 8 year administration look like it didn’t screw up everything it touched.

I wonder if one of his people will ever admit to their faults instead of blaming someone-something else or sugar coating it.

I agree with Mr. Beatty. Israel will never retreat to it’s 1967 borders, thus the only solution is to give full Israeli citizenship to all the Arabs living in Gaza, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank. Only Palestinian assimilation into Israel will stop the violence and hate once and for all. Shalom.

I heard from a blogger – can’t remember which one – that at George W Bush’s last press conference so few reporters showed up that the filled the last few rows with employees and staff.

Has anyone else heard that? Is it true?

Last time I checked, Arabs were considered Semitic.aIf this is indeed so, then it seems difficult to levy a charge of racism against a people you are in support of.

I see both sides of this issue and it is a tough one.
I would like to know if anyone who is “pro-Israel” or “pro-Arab” could give an effective critiue of the side they are in avor of.

If no, then perhaps your opinion is myopic.

Aristotle said: “Any opinion rendered in the extreme is only half considered at best.”

RE: Jack Beatty’s Comments on One State Solution.

I want to hear all ideas on the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Since the same old options have continually failed, any new ideas are welcomed.

Frankly, I would like to cut both the Palestinians and Israelis loose – militarily and financially – and them not to call until they themselves resolve their problem.

I had the joy of living in Haifa for several years and saw how well Israelis and Arabs can get along so it is possible despite all the rhetoric.

I would like to cut them both off as well. Unfortunately, we have helped Israel become THE major power in the Middle-east and this could prevent a greater threat to the Palestinaians as it is possible that we are the only thing keeping Israel in check. Also, if we were not backing Israel, many other Arab states might move in for the kill and then we would have an all-out blood bath.

by bush dont let the door hit u in the rear, as for israel we should start pulling back on aid, until those u.n. resolution are followed as should be and any other country would have to do.

i feel if israel would show some kindness to all the pali gazans, and west bank, and tell them they will make concessions, apologizes and pull back if necessary to have long lasting peace, this would bring the pali majority to think or hope that they can feel compensated for there losses and that its be worth it to work with israel, also it would need to talk to hamas directly, both groups hate each other but what better way to say we wish peace that we are willing to work with both sides and people who we hate or disagree with, in my opinion, this would give way to the moderates to find common grounds, as for hamas rockets i would say make a cease-fire give the hamas government/police station coordinates to those areas and let them govern or try to catch these people instead of using extreme force back.

otherwise they will be no peace cause one-side will not work with the other and will kill civilians and disregard the suffering, and any agreement will feel to each it is unfair.

It is widely accepted that when one is using the term antisemitic that it refers to Jews. To say that Jews and Arabs are the same in this context is a bit much considering the history.

Also the power broker now in the Middle East is Iran not Israel. Israel is a small country with a very good military and intelligence service. The survive by being one step a head.

If Iran wanted to they could crush Israel in a matter of weeks. However the US would not let this happen.

As George Bush leaves office he deals the final blow to the country and constitution. By implying that 7 years of safety could only occure with a violation of our rights he is selling security for rights. If we accept this our rights will be reduced for a security that can never exist. Once that security is breached the government will have no credibility. This is the classic goal of all terrorists – to get governments to make a promise they can not keep and oppress thier own citizens.

Calling everyone who disagrees with Israeli policies “anti-semitic” is mindful of the Bush administration calling everyone who disagreed with them “unpatriotic”.

WHAT A JOKE!

The notion that Bush deserves credit for the lack of a second domestic terror attack during his tenure implies that the U.S. has effectively sealed the borders and ports against those who would do us harm.

WELL, THE BORDERS AND PORTS ARE AS POROUS AS EVER!

Republicans want it both ways:

on the one hand, they say immigration is out of control and something should be done to seal the borders;
on the other hand, Republicans say Bush deserves credit for having effectively sealed the borders against those who want to come in and do us harm.

Much more likely, the credit for the lack of a second attack should go to the fact that eight years later, 16 dead guys who once had box cutters are still working their magic and wreaking havoc on our economy, foreign policy, and standing in the world.

Why would terrorists again risk the wrath of world opinion when one simple attack plan is still bringing a great nation to its knees almost a decade after the attack? All the world was against the terrorsits after 9/11, now almost all the world is against the U.S. and our foreign policies.

In other words, it does not serve the terrorist’s interests to mess with a good thing, and THAT IS LIKELY WHY WE HAVE NOT BEEN ATTACKED A SECOND TIME.

Bush doesn’t deserve credit for Jack____!

Iran’s behavior towards women and gays is unacceptable.
Saudi Arabia’s behavior is unacceptable.
Pakistan’s behavior is unacceptable.
Sudan’s behavior is unacceptable in Darfur.

I’ve been thinking about Gaza for days and have reached the point where I can’t bear to hear anything more, and I can’t look at my Jewish friends.
It troubles me that the US would be protesting if any other country was decimating a population. It’s time that Israeli and American Jews were called on this; the dispensation conferred by the horrors of the death camps has run out.

And thank you Jack, for once again for going to the moral heart of the matter.

I don’t know where Bill has been living but it’s not just white collar workers who are losing jobs. It’s certainly not only white collar people who are looking for jobs. Beyond that, for a lot of people who are not in the financial industry but who may not currently swing a shovel to make a living, it is comforting to know that there are available jobs just in case they lose their job. That comfort translates to confidence, which in turn helps stabilize things.

The term anti-semitism was coined in Germany in the 1800s and specifically refers to hatred towards Jews alone, and always has.

Jack Beatty is entitled to air their views, but why does Ashbrook always feature uninformed commentators like him without providing a counter-response to at least provide some accurate facts?

Hamas, like the Muslim Brotherhood as a whole, explicitly states they will never accept an independent Jewish state in the region (read their Charter). They call Israel racist, while insisting that Muslims are superior over all others and that Jews (and Christians) will only be tolerated if they agree to pay a protection tax (Jyzia).

Thank goodness George W. Bush can do no more damage to this country or the world.

While I believe he was doing what HE (or the voice of his god in his head) thought was right, he was single minded, listened only to those who agreed with him and used fear mongering and the power of his position and the USA to wreak havoc worldwide. Even with the benefit of hindsight, he STILL believes everything he did was right and anything that didn’t go as planned was someone else’s fault. What happened to being the ’sole decider’?

He took an oath, as do all Presidents (the EXACT required text is specified in the Constitution *), to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution”. One can only imagine that he must have silently added “Unless I disagree with it”. Barack Obama taught Constitutional Law. At least he will know what he is promising to protect and defend. Maybe he will even care.

* Article II, Section I: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Sheila wow, you can’t look at your Jewish friends, that’s a bit two faced. Your not a friend, and if someone did that to me I would say so long.

A few years ago I had a friend who was a Muslim Sudanese, I had no problems with him only his government. We used to talk about politics all the time. You see real friends should be able to debate issues.
He did not like the Sudanese government either.

<iIt’s time that Israeli and American Jews were called on this; the dispensation conferred by the horrors of the death camps has run out. This statement is absurd and has nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza.

By the way I’m Jewish and I am sickened at what is happening in Gaza.

However this is not so black and white as Sheila’s world view seems to be.

Try talking to your Jewish friends.

Sheila wow, you can’t look at your Jewish friends, that’s a bit two faced. Your not a friend, and if someone did that to me I would say so long.

A few years ago I had a friend who was a Muslim Sudanese, I had no problems with him only his government. We used to talk about politics all the time. You see real friends should be able to debate issues.
He did not like the Sudanese government either.

It’s time that Israeli and American Jews were called on this; the dispensation conferred by the horrors of the death camps has run out. This statement is absurd and has nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza.

By the way I’m Jewish and I am sickened at what is happening in Gaza.

However this is not so black and white as Sheila’s world view seems to be.

Try talking to your Jewish friends.

I am sick of the mideast. The most accurate depiction of the Arab-Israeli conflict was a cartoon showing what I think is the last Arab next to graves with a shovel and the ast Israeli next to his graves with a shovel–and they attack each other.
This reminds me of so many crises in the world: each side sets impossible conditions for cessation. Each side has a grievance left over and has to avenge it. I imagine there’s a special circle in Hell for them.

On the bailouts and the banks, we need to take to the streets or elect people who work for us not the banks.

What I don’t understand is why on earth did the Bush government give out all that money with no strings attached? Why on earth do all these people now sit around and scratch there heads and say we don’t know where the money is. Well we know how much they took, if they can’t account for I think they should be made to give it back, period.

I wanted to talk about Social Security but you had moved on. My beef is that the Medicare Part D bill was written so that, unlike the VA and other government agencies, Medicare is NOT allowed to bid out drugs–it has to pay list price, no ifs, ands, or buts. The Government is being taken to the cleaners while the pharmaceutical companies have record profits.
Please, someday will you take up this egregious situation?

We do not need to wait for “history” to judge Mr. Bush and his unique blend of malice and incompetence. A number of assessments have already been done. A brilliant example is “The Bush Tragedy,” by Jacob Weisberg (of Slate.com). I can do no better than to quote from him below:

[From Jacob Weisberg’s “The Bush Tragedy,” pages xxiii, xxiv, and 240]

“Driven by family demons, overflowing with confidence, and lacking any capacity for self-knowledge, Bush seems to me to have done precisely what we should have expected of him…To state it simply, the Bush Tragedy is that the son’s ungovernable relationship with his father ended up governing all of us.

“Bush’s is an Icarus story – the crash to earth of someone who does not comprehend his limits or his motives. Being president was something beyond Bush’s capacities in a way he didn’t recognize. It is something he should never have been given a chance to do…[W]e can safely say that the commonwealth is sick of its own choice, not just in the sense of the country being disillusioned with Bush, but in the sense of the country having brought the malady upon itself. The commonwealth had every reason to know better before and not just after, and especially the second time around…

“Bush thought he couldn’t betray any sign of uncertainty…This is the politician’s technique of making himself believe what he needs to believe. But when the projection of confidence becomes so far detached from reality, it turns into something else again: willful self-delusion. This is the opposite of Churchill’s mode of leadership, which did not shy away from realistic appraisal at far darker moments…

“What we can say even before he leaves office is that Bush played out his family drama in a way that had devastating consequences for his family, his country, and the world. To challenge a thoughtful, moderate, and pragmatic father, he trained himself to be hasty, extreme, and unbending. He learned to overcome all forms of doubt through the exercise of will. There was no worse preparation for the historical moment that was thrust upon him. Ambitious to accomplish great things, sure of the purity of his motives, and fundamentally unwilling to think, he squandered his chance…His flawed character proved to be his destiny.”

[End of quotes from “The Bush Tragedy”]

Bravo, Mr. Weisberg.

Unfortunately, Bush’s destiny has proved to be ours as well.

I hope that Jack will clarify his comment last week about supporting a “one state” solution in “Palestine”.

Jack is a smart guy, and generally I agree with his positions, particularly on domestic issues. However, his statement last week seemed poorly thought out. Basically, he is saying that Israel should be willing to dismantle itself as a Jewish state. Since the creation of Israel, the Arabs have been trying to destroy it. It is partly as a consequence of this that Arabs in Israel fled their homes: the Arabs were losing the war, so they fled. If there had been no war to begin with, there would have been no need to flee.

Ever since that first war, Arabs have perpetually been threatening to push “the Jews” into the sea. The latest incarnation of this is Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. For example, the Hamas charter quotes the teachings of Mohammed as follows:

…the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).”

I guess we’re okay as long as we’re behind a Gharkad tree! It is easy for Jack, sitting in Hanover N.H., to pontificate about how Israel should, in the name of “fairness”, just give itself over to the tender mercies of such people. However, our history as Jews over the past 2000 years doesn’t make that seem like a good idea.

I’d be inclined to give more credibility to Jack’s “democratic” aspirations if he were to announce that he was giving back his home to the Native American Abenaki tribe, who claim his land as their homeland. See http://www.cowasuck.org/AbenakiConstitution2005AB.htm.

A one state solution would work in a few generations if the Palestinians and muslims in the region find the Islam of the heart and of man and repudiate the Islam of the sword.

If someone could just explain what a Semite is, we may be able to have a decent conversation.

I’m sick unto death of hearing complete idiots like Jack Beatty engage in simplistic, partisan and highly selective Bush-bashing. As was made abundantly clear during the recently concluded presidential election, Beatty can be counted on to reguritate inane liberal talking points and offer little else. He’s certainly perfectly within his rights to do so, but why keep up the pretense that he’s some kind of “analyst”? He’s clearly nothing of the kind. Analysts examine all sides of an issue; they don’t reflexively engage in shrill partisan attacks. Hey, Jack: If you’re going to affect the pose of a “news analyst”, at least pretend to be conversant with more than one side of an issue. When it comes to critiquing the Bush administration, that means accounting for his record beyond Abu Ghraibe and the other so-called catastrophes that seem to prey on your mind non-stop. Otherwise, keep up the great work.

Regarding the perfect water landing.

Wow! Skimming through a few news channels last night I see media has found god.

Or, they are exploiting our heightened emotions, the unfortunate intersection of bird, machine, and proximity of a major waterway, and the publics general lack understanding of statistics and the physical sciences in order to make reference to a deity thus engendering the empathy/loyalty of viewers.

Controversial times bring about controversial verdicts on presidencies. To date, Clinton and Bush are both seen as potential unachieved. Clinton by issues of his own making and Bush by how he responded to circumstances unforeseen.

History may be kinder in judging both.

to nick, yea msnbc and cnn, reported that the last 2 rows where aids or something simiar to that

Sure, time may show some of ‘his decisions,’ were good ones. I should hope so.

But,

History can’t change who Bush was or how he got elected and reelected.

History can’t change Dick(Cheney)!

The only history that will look kindly on his excellency is victor’s history, and if that comes to pass, well, then it will be an unfortunate future world indeed.

i respect jack i think hes smart and informative,not everything i agree with him, but is much better than any r-wing talk show host that, has no point or understand what there talking about(like bush) who said Hurracain K. was sucessful and that all the mistakes he had were someone elses fault or underesitmated,

less for cliton he gave use a great econ, and there was a rain of hail to get him for his moral short comings, but bush, lied, twisted, intentionally broke laws and international laws, and we have people(republicans) saying we should not investigate this, ex the civil liberty guy in charge who under investigation for policizing the office, and racist statements and actions 63 of 65 consev hired with intent of being team players

“I’ll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.” (George W. Bush May 12, 2008) That may be so, but ultimate justice for the decider may come down to the karma he has created as a result of his own past actions. Likely no one knows for sure. When asked by ABC’s Martha Raddatz if he cared what the American people thought about the war on Iraq, Dick Cheney bluntly answered, “No.” Fortunately, this “so what” attitude and the deep damage done by the Bush Cheney gang is about to slowly fade into the past. Thousands of innocents dead and billions spent. Wasted potential. Honorable patriots used up or politically trashed. Truth twisted. Rule of law ignored. America the beautiful temporarily tarnished by their childish lies and narrow minded hubris. The blatant lack of remorse for the tremendous pain they have caused has revealed their actions to be staggeringly disconnected from reality. Thankfully, most of America eventually caught on and soon the adults will be back in charge. As for karma’s role, well, no one knows for sure.

He got elected with some of the largest popular votes in history. I have no sympathy for people who can’t design a ballot that people can understand.

The popular press would have us believe that Cheney took the VP role to a level of relevance never before achieved. He didn’t just go to head-of-state funerals and he wasn’t just given some obscure area of policy to work on.

Clinton’s, like Bush’s, economic miracle was all fake. We’re all dealing with reality now.

Clinton, though, did not leave a huge deficit, the mess instead of the economy, 4200 dead US service men and women, and the world that couldn’t wait for the US to replace its chief executive. I can’t even compare the two. Clinton was harmless, while Bush is a god damn disaster. The only similarity is both men failed to get Bin Laden.

The only way Bush can be judged better in the future is if people find out that (1) Iraq was indeed behind 9/11; (2) Iraq was indeed hiding tons of WMDs; (3) was in contact with Al Qaeda to give them said WMDs; (4) affirmative evidence is declassified that it was Bush’s policies that kept the US from being hit again; (6) Iran was weakened by us taking out Saddam; and/or (7) Bush actually prevented Iran and N. Korea from getting nuclear weapons down the road. I do not foreclose any such discovery. History has known stranger things. Otherwise, I don’t see how this President can be redeemed.

The holocaust of 1939-1945, which killed 6 million Jews, taught us that no one in the world will ever risk their lives or go to war purely to save the Jewish people from attacks. And Jews have been the victims of attack for thousands of years. Zionism’s strength is drawn from the fact of the holocaust.

Therefore Jews need a state of their own to protect them. The world should support Israel for this reason alone.

But pushing out countless Palestinians under the Zionist idea has proved too expansionist.

Palestinians have been continuously pushed out their homes for 60 years. Hence Hamas is understandably their hero. Gaza is a disgrace and a scar of Israel’s multiplicity of contradictions.

Israel needs to remain strong. Protecting Jews should not be questioned. In addition, Palestinians need a strong contiguous state returning and uniting Gaza and the West Bank in toto to Palestine.

The only solution then:

Israel must maintain the Jewish nature of the state and must also continue as a democracy. Because demographics favor Palestinians in the long run such a Jewish state may only be possible if it stays very small geographically. Part of its irrevocable charter must remain the defense of Jews anywhere in the world.

Meanwhile, divide Jerusalem. half is for Palestine, the other half for Israel.

Jack Beatty’s assessment of Bush’s administration is right on. NO responsibility. thousands of deaths; evasion of the constitution; war crimes; cronyism; stolen elections;…

Jack Beatty is a hack who’s afraid to run for office and change things, and dana colley is just one more crybaby who can’t get over ‘00 and ‘04, and the egregious embarrassment Bill Clinton caused Americans.

Give em hell, Jack!

I’m not sure that Bush should list “no further attacks on the US” as an accomplishment. What if we were attacked in the first place because this hotheaded wildcard was the president? And indeed, no other attack has been needed; we’re still in meltdown from 9/11 and its aftermath. In the meantime, we still have a few days before our next president is sworn in. I’m holding my breath and hoping nothing happens, and I’ll be glad to see the moving vans in front of the White House.

From all the great minds that are expelling out all this wisdom, it sounds like this may be the solution to our problems.
Let’s hang Bush for stepping in his on boo boo.
Pull out of the Middle-east and tell Israel goodbye.
Let the radical terrorist wipe Israel off the map.
Give the radical muslims a medal for killing all the Jewish people.
Give credibility to radicals, making them the victims.
Make the goose-step in Iran the national victory dance.
Apologize to the world for being democratic Imperialist.
Maybe restitution on top of all the foreign aid we send?
Give in to their demands, so we can “just get along.”
As who is to blame for the Economy crisis?
Bush and the rebublicans, Why not!
4/2001. Bush warns Freddie/Fannie “potential problem.”
2003. Freddie/Fannie a severe risk that will spread.
9/2003. Tres. Snow warns of trouble, more regulatory.
9/2003. Barney Frank, Freddie/Fannie “not in a crisis”
9/2003. Frank, need to expand more low income loans.
2005. Greenspan, Freddie/Fannie at “substantial risk.”
4/2005. Sen. Schumer, Freddie/Fannie, “doing a very, very good job.”
5/2006. McCain calls for reforms in Freddie/Fannie.
All the Democrats vote against the bill.
Who pushed hard for the first bailouts? Barney Frank.
Who did it go to? Where in the world did it go?
Who now is pushing for a even bigger bailout called a stimulus package. Where do you think this cash will go?
Lets rebuild infrastructure?
Another term for, “put the Mexicans back to work.”
In the last 5 years I have seen, all the roads, houses, buildings, roof work, brick work and a bridge in our town being built by imported help. Who needs Americans.
Everything we eat, drink, watch, wear and consume is imported.
All it seems that Americans can do is point fingers and place blame.
I hope we have not placed to much confidence in the new
crew coming in, I see alot of dirty hands on both sides. If you sling mud, you must have mud to sling!

all the antisemites are finally coming out of the closet ….

Among other opinions that Jack Beatty presents as uncontestable fact is the “wag the dog” calumny that the Zionist lobby controls the US government.

His evidence: Olmert “orders” Bush to reign in Condi Rice, as if the President, even as he limps into the sunset, has something something to fear from Olmert. And Congress unanimously passes pro-Israel resolutions, as if the unanimity itself somehow proves the conspiracy theory held so widely in the Middle East.

Israel’s democratic society and values closely resemble ours. They don’t appear on videotapes, promising to drink the blood of their enemies (this makes rather a bad impression).

Is it possible that all the Zionist lobby actually has is a pretty convincing case?

an antisemetic lovefest on NPR….amazing…

Sheila ..you have Jewish friends? what about black friends? what about black Jewish friends?

what about nazi friends?

all the antisemites are finally coming out of the closet …. of course they are, we are in an economic downturn, this is the time to fan the flames of antisemitism.

By the way it’s interesting to note that almost half the worlds neo-nazis live in Russia, about 50 to 70 thousand and growing, this article is scary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/15/world/europe/15russia.html

Why doesn’t anyone give Bush credit for the fact that there hasn’t been any attack on the US from space aliens(as far as we know) while he’s been in office.

RM got any friends? Real ones? Arab ones? Do propagandists need any?

pen boy …thanks that’s horrible did they catch them?

Propagandist …because I tell the truth ?

As per pen boy’s comment in response to R.M.’s observation that antisemites are leaving the closets (to get way from the gays?)— I didn’t realize that an economic downturn drives Americans to being against Jews and Arabs (both semite races).

Actually such animosity is a reality regardless of economic ups and downs.

Which leads me to take issue with Sam. Space aliens not arrivin on Earth has nothing to do with any Bush protectionist policies, but rather because they’d have to contend with antisemites and neo-nazis turning on them.

Semites include both Jews and Arabs racially. But the term “anti-semite” is generally interpreted as meaning anti-jewish. And yes, there still is some anti-semitism in the US (and the world), but there is also a lot of anti-arab sentiment in both places. One thing I find curious as regards the Palestinian-Israeli issue is that there is a lot more thoughtful discussion and criticism of Israeli positions *inside Israel* than seems to be allowed in the US. It is not “anti-semitic” to discuss the issue in a balanced fashion. If one is a jew and criticises Israel one is accused of “self hatred” or some such nonsense.

Neither side in this struggle is totally right nor totally wrong. They both have legitimate grievances and a history of nasty behavior towards each other.

I am rather surprised that “On Point” hasn’t dedicated an entire program to the current Gaza situation – with experts from both sides and the sidelines. I know we have the upcoming inauguration, the economic disaster, the cabinet picks, but not one program on this most grave issue? Just a few minutes’ mention in summoning up the week? Reading some of the other comments I can see why “On Point” is loathe to bring the wrath of AIPAC down on it’s head but somebody has to start an unbiased discussion. It certainly won’t be our distinguished members of Congress who are constantly terrified and looking to their next election.

Ok, I take back my last paragraph criticizing “On Point”. I see there was a program on December 31st dedicated to the issue. I must have missed the podcast.

Bryan,
I agree with Jacob Weisberg’s appraisal of what the Bush father-son relationship wrought on our country.

I recall video footage of Bush Sr. breaking down in tears addressing the Florida legislature to honor Jeb, the “talented” son. It was very telling, as Bush Sr. was obviously utterly shamed by what George W. was doing to the country, and he obviously thought Jeb should have been the second Bush elevated to the presidency.

If you haven’t seen the footage, look for it on Youtube. I posted the links, but On Point would not allow the comment to post. Just Search “George Bush Crying,” or something to that effect.

will you people stop drinking the koolaid!
jack beatty is a drooling idiot!
worst president in history?
how do you rate President Carter then?
the economy? what about the hi-tech bubble under Clinton? how did that workout for you jack? how did his middle east policy turn out jack? land for peace? democracy? where are we now with that jack?
you should move to the EU where they will give guys like you, free housing, free medical care, free food, free transportation all on someone else’s dime (people who have real jobs. you are an idiot!

THE COVENANT OF THE HAMAS – MAIN POINTS

Goals of the HAMAS:
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‘The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian

movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is

Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of

Palestine.’ (Article 6)

On the Destruction of Israel:
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‘Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.’ (Preamble)

The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area:
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The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession]

consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one

can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.’

(Article 11)

‘Palestine is an Islamic land… Since this is the case, the

Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem

wherever he may be.’ (Article 13)

The Call to Jihad:
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‘The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the

individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation,

it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.’ (Article 15)

‘Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses

everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the

call of duty, loudly proclaiming: ‘Hail to Jihad!’. This cry will

reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is

achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah’s victory comes about.’

(Article 33)

Rejection of a Negotiated Peace Settlement:
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‘[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and

international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of

the Islamic Resistance Movement… Those conferences are no more than

a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of

Islam… There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by

Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a

waste of time, an exercise in futility.’ (Article 13)

Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:
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‘Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle

[against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The

Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar

agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle.

…Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason,

and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.’ (Article 32)

Anti-Semitic Incitement:
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‘The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.’ (Article 7)

‘The enemies have been scheming for a long time … and have

accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money,

they took control of the world media… With their money they stirred

revolutions in various parts of the globe… They stood behind the

French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the

revolutions we hear about… With their money they formed secret

organizations – such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions -

which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies

and carry out Zionist interests… They stood behind World War I …

and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the

world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge

financial gains… There is no war going on anywhere without them

having their finger in it.’ (Article 22)

‘Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet

expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have

finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they

will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out

in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.’ (Article 32)

‘The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the

circle of struggle against World Zionism… Islamic groups all over

the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped

for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.’

(Article 32)

Carter left with 44% approval, Clinton with 68% approval. Bush has 22%.

I concur Bush is the worst president in history. The most incompetent is for sure. Let’s wait for history to judge him better. Good luck with that.

Alex, before questioning someone else’s competence you need to establish your own. So far all you’ve successfully established is that English is clearly not your first language. I hope you make more sense in whatever is.

Arnold , I understood Alex perfectly well , does insulting others make you feel superior?

Did I misspell “the worst” or “incompetent”? What’s your problem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b2QhQQpHck

sam there was a attack on the wtc in 1993 or so, can bushed failed to stop the second much more devastating one, along with wire taping, socializing our banks with public money(privat profits, public loss) exp. my bank(investment) got 2 billion, supposedly for lending and clearing up credit, to take the money pay out bonus, and outsource alot of the jobs to india,but explain on the news and by herry parlson was only for banks to lean to people and get the credit going again,

but back to bush, where in a great crisis he could of brought the nation together and told use and given a speech about working together to make the nation great and rebuild, instead he told use to shop and not worry, than using faulty intelligence to bring us to iraq, record oil prices, politicizing the justice department, only guy that got busted libby is pardon, reducing our moral capital and standing in the world to almost nothing, constantly spinning and twisting the truth to fit his agenda even when found to be lies(kind of like what israel is doing)also the politicizing and racism in the civil liberties department appointee be bush, not to forget the Hurricane K episode

George W. Bush will go down as the worst president ever,unless another equally worst president is elected(palin) ekk

Jack Beatty, Senior Editor of the The Atlantic magazine?
I wonder, you sound more like a spokesman of Hamas.

Tom, is that the “objective” and “informed” roundtable you provide?

I have no problem if you’d interview Hamas spokesmen, listeners ought to get the correct impression. But presenting this “Senior Editor” from Hanover, NH as an objective and informed commentator is ridiculous.

And Jack – w/r to the difinition of “terrorism”: what would you call 7000 rockets lobbed indiscrimanetly on a civilian population? how would you feel if they were lobbed in your neighborhood?

Nat you know that the Hamas spokesmen will lie through their teeths with a smile …..

The Great Revolutionaries!!!!!!http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=230

Jack Beatty – get educated on Hamas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE

nat thank you for that video …send more …have you seen this one “road to jenin” by Pierre Rehov? : http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=road%20to%20jenin&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

r.m. arguements ares as silly as his posting, he makes references will no backing(p.r. propaganda does not count as evidences) than denies that civilians are being killed by isreal, denies israel treatment to arabs in israel, states their no problem in taking land people are on as long as u think it was yours 1000 years ago, and how dare u say otherwise, denies israel collective punishment and unjust treatment towards gazans and even the arabs who peacefully protested in israel, he refers to a youtube video of children wearing hamas gear and their charter, but neglects to tell that israel is doing far worst than whats in there charter and israel is by doing so surging up hamas support by killing women, children, civilians innocents,

I do recall when one country or group intentionally destroys a another group way to sustain itself, it does fall into war crimes, along with collective punishment of a whole group of people, dont forget the raid in November by israel which killed 6 gazans, causing gazans to fire rockets, than than another raid which lead to hamas saying there be no cease-fire, along with not lifting the blockade

explain this

Israel discriminates against Israel arabs for criticizing israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7825032.stm

bbc watch :http://www.bbcwatch.co.uk/reports.html

Politicians, the media, & academics want to continue the charade that this is about land, about ”national liberation”, anything but face the truth – it is & has always been about Jihad.
It is reverberating around the Islamic world from one end to the other. It is openly preached in thousands of mosques. not just in Muslim countries, but in the West as well.
This conflict has always been about Jihad & nothing else. It has nothing to do with a two-state solution – it has only to do with the existence of a non-Muslim state in the Middle-East.
Make no mistake – they are using anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, anti-Jewish propaganda as a tool – because of anti-Semitism in the West, especially Europe, jews are the most vulnerable beginning of Jihad against the West generally.
There is that famous quote, ‘First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.” I should also include Hindus, Buddhists, & everyone else.
Every religious minority in the Muslim world is persecuted – Copts in Egypt, Christians in all the Arab countries, Assyrians, Yazidis, Bahais, Buddhists in Malaysia.
But all this is studiously avoided by the politically correct politicians, media, & ”Middle-East experts”

r.m. is a joke, again does no answer the question stated, only deny, blame, deny,blame, or maybe just blind to injustice,

so let me get this straight your saying it is okay to kill Muslims and civilians cause some dont like use, your a sick person, and maybe u find forgiveness from the innocents that were killed by israel, im done responding to someone so closed minded and justifies killing Innocent (muslim or not) there are innocents and will only breed more extremist because of this

lets get this straight Mike ,I never said it was ok to kill anybody .I don’t like violence , hatred or racism so stop twisting my words. Your obvious malicious scribble because you don’t like what I say , will not make your accusations legitimate . I think you have repeated yourself quite enough and its time for a new recording….

I think we all need to remember that the day after 9/11 the people of Gaza and most Palestinians danced in the streets. You can condemn Israel for the over reaction that they have done in Gaza but we must remember how we are dealing with. I watched the video Nat linked to and it’s not surprising to me. Hamas like the Taliban are against any expression of happiness be it music or flying kites.

Hamas are extremist and they are the scourge of humanity.

The terrorists of 9/11 were also condemned by PLO leaders. Some see America as an oppressor because we support one in the Middle East.

My guess is that any Palestinian kid that was flying a kite in Gaza last week would have been the target of an Israeli missile and treated as a justifiable target.