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Obama’s Antiwar Critics
Marines listen as President Barack Obama speaks about combat troop reductions in Iraq as he addresses military personnel at Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune, N.C., Friday, Feb. 27, 2009. (AP)

Marines listen as President Barack Obama speaks about combat troop reductions in Iraq as he addresses military personnel at Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune, N.C., Friday, Feb. 27, 2009. (AP)

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Last week when President Barack Obama laid out his plans for troop withdrawals from Iraq, his former campaign rival, Republican John McCain, of all people, was quick to voice support.

But antiwar activists and leaders who have protested the war for years were not so sure. A stretched-out exit. Maybe 50,000 troops still in Iraq for years. And a new surge in Afghanistan.

Barack Obama promised an end to the Iraq war. Many activists worked hard to support him. So, what do they think now?

This hour, On Point: Antiwar voices on Obama’s war plans.

You can join the conversation. Did you vote for Barack Obama because of his promise to end the Iraq war? Is President Obama delivering? Coming close enough for now? Or not?

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests:

Joining us from Washington is Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Democratic congressman from Ohio. He was a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004 and 2008. In 2007 he sponsored a bill  that would immediately end the Iraq war.

Also from Washington, we’re joined by Medea Benjamin, co-founder of the feminist antiwar group CODEPINK.

And with us from Washington is Tom Andrews, national director of the Win Without War coalition. He was a Democratic congressman from Maine from 1991 to 1995.

Joining us in our studio is Barry Posen, professor of political science at MIT and director of MIT’s Security Studies Program.

 

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Listener comments
  • You can do a lot with guns, but seat on them!!
    I hope the president understand fully the power of diplomacy and that injustice,intolerance,oppression,
    misery and despair are the real roots of terrorism.

    Posted by Wavre, on March 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 AM
  • To OnPoint Producers:

    Thank You

    Posted by Lilya Lopekha, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 AM
  • I canvassed for President Obama in rural Pennsylvania, because he was the one candidate with the judgment to speak out against the Iraq War before it began.

    Osama bin Laden has stated that he wants to bankrupt our country, and George Bush’s $3 trillion war was just what he wanted.

    I wish that Obama would use soft power instead of bombs in Afghanistan: aid to build schools, power plants, etc. is the change I can believe in.

    The Afghanis are starving. Our tax dollars that were supposed to go into rebuilding Afghanistan have instead lined the pockets of Bush cronies, who have done little to make life better for that war torn country.

    The U.S.S.R. learned the hard way that going to war in Afghanistan is costly and ineffective. Bombing wedding parties is not only horrific, but drives people into the arms of the Taliban and terrorist organizations, which is not at all good for our national security.

    We need to listen to Dennis Kucinich, who has been right all along about the Iraq War and holding the Bush administration accountable for war crimes and crimes against our Constitution.

    Posted by Cindy, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 AM
  • Whoever gets on the air to ask a question….

    Pleaaaaaase, can you ask the guests:

    It is just about time to get bold…because we are almost banckrupt….
    Why did we invade Iraq?
    What was the Real Reason?
    What was the Original Motive?
    Why did the Cheerleaders went to Clinton about Iraq in 1998?

    Don’t forget, in 1998, the Dog Barney knew more about Iraq than Bush at that time.

    Posted by Lilya Lopekha, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:18 AM
  • If we went to Occupation (not War) on False Prestense or Based on Lies, then why did we occupy.

    Let’s name the baby….let’s be Bold about the Reason.

    If we know that a Lie is a Lie, then we should also know the Truth.

    This is the Forum folks.

    Posted by Lilya Lopekha, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 AM
  • I want all our troops home as soon as possible but I think it has to be done in a responsible way.

    With that in mind, I have a question. What impact will the return of the Reservists have on our unemployment rate? These people who have fought for our country are going to return to unemployment lines.

    Posted by Jeff, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:37 AM
  • Hallellujah, it’s pitifully long overdue to hear the Left represented on “public” radio. Long overdue to hear that the war was based on a system of lies ,that atleast one million Iraqis are dead, and that there is a major contingency of cotractors a la Blackwater assisting in the occupation with potential for even more trouble,that wesupported Saddam when it was expedient to do so.We need more relief of this kind on “public” radio from the usual wiseacring about “tactics” ,”honor’ “Glory” and “freedom”.

    Posted by Dana Franchitto, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 AM
  • Just before the the election I met a man who owns a business which supplies some type of nuclear weaponry to the US military. He was a true hawk – pro guns, etc., etc. He was very concerned about the Democrats winning the election because of his business and personal beliefs. He was very knowledgeable about the Iraq war and being the blowhard that he was had no problem “educating” me about it. He was quite adamant that the real reason for going to war in Iraq was to establish military bases. If that is true, it is not surprising that John McCain now supports Obama’s proposal as he has not indicated that these bases will be removed. Please address these bases.

    Posted by Celeste, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 AM
  • With that in mind, I have a question. What impact will the return of the Reservists have on our unemployment rate? These people who have fought for our country are going to return to unemployment lines.

    After WW1 the government promised the vets bonus pay. (Bonus Army)
    They did not pay, the depression came and the march of the vets on Washington came with it. They set up a camp in what is now the Mall and started to protest.

    The Army was sent in led by none other then General MacArthur, Eisenhower was his second in command, he used brute force and burned them out of the camp.

    Posted by jeffe, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 AM
  • Am I the only one who remembers Nixon’s promise to end the Vietnam War when he ran in ‘68? I had a relative who voted for him on that basis. It was poor old Ford who had to deal with the Saigon pullout debacle in ‘75. “the more things change the more they remain the same”–Sen. Kucinich should know that. Did he REALLY expect Obama to be able to keep that promise? If so, I have a bridge I want to sell him.

    Posted by A. Jacobucci, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 AM
  • To Celeste:

    …real reason for going to war in Iraq was to establish military bases.

    We already have tons of basis in Kuwait, Qatar, Djubiti.
    Then “why” would we need more basis? US Troops love desert sand?

    If your assumption were true, don’t you think we would try to establish basis firs, without a War? Wasn’t it true when Saddam’s title was reduced down to Mayor of Baghdad between 1991-2003, we could have done anything in 85% Iraqi territory?

    If your assumption were true, then how come Pearle, Wolfowitz, Stephen Solarz, Frederic Kagan, Robert Kagan, Michael Jeremiah, Micheal Ladeen, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser never mentioned about Establishment of Basis when they were jumping up and down between 1992-1996 (read JINSA and IASPS papers)… saying Somebody/Anybody, we have to go and get Saddam.

    Posted by Lilya Lopekha, on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:56 AM
  • Dennis Kucinich’s endless repetition that we began the war based on lies is as redundant as his futile attempts to gain the Presidency for himself. EVERYONE KNOWS that we began the Iraq war under false pretenses. The statement isn’t overdue at all, we all know it, we’ve known it for a long time. Unfortunately, at this point, it’s not relevant. I’ve always been against this war, and I want the troops home ASAP, but Obama has many more factors to consider aside from the desire to end the war. He’s being careful and deliberate, as he always said he would be during the campaign, and he is also respecting an agreement made by the government of Iraq–it may rankle to be bound by a Bush-admin agreement, but doing otherwise would call into question the Iraqi government’s legitimacy. I also believe that Tom Ricks makes a strong argument for a longer occupation, one directly related to our responsibility to the Iraqis and to our foreign policy strategy, and though I don’t advocate staying as long as Ricks suggesst, Obama can’t ignore this kind of reasoned advice either. I think this program has raised legitimate concerns about the possibility of an unintended extension of our troop commitment, but as one caller said, we’re subject to the uncertainties of war, and Obama can’t paint himself into a corner and render himself politically ineffectual if situations change that might lead to a legitimate need for our troops to extend their mission–anything can happen. Kucinich’s bullish peace advocacy and his idea that a truth-and- reconciliation process will make things all better are as naive, unsubtle and ideastic as Bush’s neoconservative plans for making the world safe for democracy through invasion. Lastly, this idea that we’re uniquely indebted to rebuild Iraq is not unquestionable. Even though it was ridiculous foreign policy that crippled our strategic position regarding the middle-east (particularly Iran), I don’t hold the Iraqis to be absolute victims, either. Saddam Hussein was a brutal, internationally aggressive dictator who the Iraqi people were either 1)unwilling, or 2)completely unable (the latter seems more likely) to remove from power. If they had been able, and weren’t willing to remove him, then they would be culpable in his crimes, and any destruction their country faced as an end result of his regime would be deserved. If they were willing but unable to remove him, then one has to acknowledge that, though it’s paternalistic, we have done Iraq’s people (minus the Hussein’s loyalists) a favor (regardless of whether it was our reason for invading), one that to some degree has to mitigate our debt to rebuild. I don’t think our invasion was just, or intelligent strategically, but Obama must deal reasonably with the real world. At this point, we’re getting out at a pace that has been approved by our military leaders and by Iraqi’s political leadership. Compared to what some reasonable arguments (see Tom Ricks again) have asserted, the pace isn’t all that slow.

    Posted by Jess, on March 3rd, 2009 at 11:36 AM
  • Jess, Jess, Jess:

    How many years we will be in Iraq; now or never…is irrelevant. All alternatives have various pros and cons.

    Saddam did not do anything bad to Warrant a full fledged Occupation by Another Country accross oceans (note: NOT by United Nations) between 1991 – 2003. Iraq was under severe embargo and they were getting their daily generous dose of bombings everyday by US bombers that was bringing them closer to Stone age.

    The question to you is: How come the Invasion Cheerleaders at JINSA and IASPS, never mentioned about how cruel Saddam was to Kurds or to his cats, when they were contituting The (only) Motive For Kicking Saddam Out of Power between 1992-1996 (pre PNAC days)?

    Posted by Lilya Lopekha, on March 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 PM
  • 4 to 1 listeners are more interested in internet culture than the peace creeps…is the Obamagasm over? Does Liberty Mutual have an opinion on the use of their sponsorship?

    Posted by Tiger, on March 3rd, 2009 at 8:27 PM
  • Tiger – Liberty Mutual had better keep its political views to itself if it wants to keep its customers. It is not personal, it is business.

    Posted by Alex, on March 3rd, 2009 at 8:46 PM
  • Thank You Jess. You are considerate and fair.

    President Obama now must contend with both the volcanic RRRight, and the LLLimpyleft. Where is reason and pragmatisim in this time? I have lived through George Wallace, Vietnam, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Gulf 1, Monica, and Mr. Wonderful II.

    I applaud Mr. Obama’s efforts and wish him long-term success.

    Posted by Andy, on March 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 PM
  • It’s good to hear that someones taking on the myth that Obama is anti-war; that said this should have been done during the election cycle.

    Posted by Sam E., on March 4th, 2009 at 9:20 AM
  • Is Obama anti-War?

    Of course, he is anti-war (with a brain bigger than a molecule); except that if he acts immediately he will most certainly be on the target board – literally.

    It will take time. Look at Blackwater. Eric Prince is gone. They will start shrinking gradually and will get adjusted to reality. The issue is that he cannot do everything asap.

    Slowly and slowly, Obama will replace the Corrupt Elite of the Past (including Geithner, Hillary, Gates, et. al) with the Deputies that are learning on the job.

    Posted by Lilya Lopekha, on March 4th, 2009 at 9:56 AM
  • This is an excellent topic for a show. But I hope it was not hastily produced in response to the criticism in the comments on the show on Craig Mullaney. That show was justified on its own terms (presenting the real experiences of Americans deployed in war) and did not require any balancing from an antiwar perspective. Mr. Mullaney was perfectly capable of expressing whatever antiwar feelings he had during the show; it was a show about his experiences. The fact of the matter is that it is this hour of On Point that now requires balancing not by a pro-war hour, but by a serious examination of the challenge of balancing America’s interests and moral responsibilities in the two conflicts started under George W. Bush.

    Posted by Mike, on March 4th, 2009 at 9:57 AM
  • Change is only in the packaging and not the content.
    What is up with that? Oh God what arer they planing to do to us next?

    The False Flag on 9-11 in order to villify people they couldnt otherwise attack honestly.

    What False Flag will they do in order to HOLD on to these people!? In other words .. What’s down the road that the Pentagon has in store for it’s enemies AND “FRIENDS”(meaning us)??!!~

    Change appears to be only in the packaging and the rotten contents are still the same.
    ~

    Posted by change, on March 4th, 2009 at 10:01 AM
  • Toward the end of the program, the discussion with Posen and Andrews accomplishes some of the consideration of moral and strategic necessities I called for above. All in all, this was a balanced hour.

    An explicit examination of U.S. interests and obligations, perhaps combining Iraq, Afghanistan, and other problems in one overview show, followed by specific shows on the various areas, is still needed. Anti-war voices (though not of necessity leftist ones) of course need to be part of those converstaions.

    Posted by Mike, on March 4th, 2009 at 10:46 AM
  • “Obama anti-War?

    Of course, he is anti-war (with a brain bigger than a molecule); except that if he acts immediately he will most certainly be on the target board – literally. ”

    He maybe anti-war in that like any good leader he doesn’t want war. However, that said I don’t see how anyone can seriously say that he has an anti-war agenda when he is pursuing the policies he is.

    Posted by Sam E., on March 4th, 2009 at 11:53 AM
  • President Clinton and the Congress passed a bill to overthrow Sadham back in 1998. That mission was accomplished and it’s time to leave. Why did Obama lie and not keep his word to pull out the troops now? Let’s leave!!!

    Posted by David, on March 9th, 2009 at 7:49 AM
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