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		<title>By: Barbara Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-17753</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 16:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bitter irony, pseudo-imposter, is that you&#039;re not only entirely fabricating my involvement in the issue of Cape Wind as an independent researcher, who has no fossil fuel interests&#039;, or property at the Cape or islands&#039;, you&#039;re attempting to incite a class war against &quot; zillionaire&quot; owners of energy companies as a pathetic strategy to gain support for Cape Wind.  

I do have children in whose future I am invested.  Your flowery suppositions, &quot;clean&quot;, &quot;green&quot;, &quot;safer world&quot;, indicate to me that you know very little about the International Cartel behind Jim Gordon of Cape Wind&#039;s misadventure.  And, they don&#039;t care about my children.  

This video of the leaders of the State of Massachusetts, and U.S. Energy Secretary Chu, should give you a clue.  Appearing with them, and speaking, is a very powerful &quot;zillionaire&quot;, who generally hides behind Cape Wind&#039;s curtain.  

Your English accent is annoyingly affected, by the way.  

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Business/2009/05/12/Wind-turbines-to-be-tested-in/1242160830.html

http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2005Summer/windpower.html

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1434804/000104746908008563/a2186834zs-1.htm#ew77801_experts

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=6499926</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bitter irony, pseudo-imposter, is that you&#8217;re not only entirely fabricating my involvement in the issue of Cape Wind as an independent researcher, who has no fossil fuel interests&#8217;, or property at the Cape or islands&#8217;, you&#8217;re attempting to incite a class war against &#8221; zillionaire&#8221; owners of energy companies as a pathetic strategy to gain support for Cape Wind.  </p>
<p>I do have children in whose future I am invested.  Your flowery suppositions, &#8220;clean&#8221;, &#8220;green&#8221;, &#8220;safer world&#8221;, indicate to me that you know very little about the International Cartel behind Jim Gordon of Cape Wind&#8217;s misadventure.  And, they don&#8217;t care about my children.  </p>
<p>This video of the leaders of the State of Massachusetts, and U.S. Energy Secretary Chu, should give you a clue.  Appearing with them, and speaking, is a very powerful &#8220;zillionaire&#8221;, who generally hides behind Cape Wind&#8217;s curtain.  </p>
<p>Your English accent is annoyingly affected, by the way.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.necn.com/Boston/Business/2009/05/12/Wind-turbines-to-be-tested-in/1242160830.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.necn.com/Boston/Business/2009/05/12/Wind-turbines-to-be-tested-in/1242160830.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2005Summer/windpower.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2005Summer/windpower.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1434804/000104746908008563/a2186834zs-1.htm#ew77801_experts" rel="nofollow">http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1434804/000104746908008563/a2186834zs-1.htm#ew77801_experts</a></p>
<p><a href="http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=6499926" rel="nofollow">http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=6499926</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darbara Burkin</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-17289</link>
		<dc:creator>Darbara Burkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Durkin and the Alliance for Nantucket Sound (Mr. Koch, zillionaire owner of an energy company) will eventually lose their costly battle. They have spent millions of $$$ and don&#039;t want to give up their fossil fuel profits.  They&#039;ve used  legal tactics to block progress and have wasted precious time.   

This is the 21st century; climate change is a real threat to humankind.  It&#039;s time for B.D. to face the fact that we need renewable energy. It doesn&#039;t matter that it might be visible from her porch or Mr. Egan&#039;s or Mr. Koch&#039;s bedroom window. Even the rich people on Cape Cod will suffer from sea level rise, increasingly strong hurricanes, droughts, food shortages, insect borne diseases, etc.   

If B.D. has children, it&#039;s time to think about their future.  Wind, solar and other clean, green energy solutions will enable us to leave a safer world for future generations. Our time on this planet is short; let&#039;s think about how we&#039;re treating the Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Durkin and the Alliance for Nantucket Sound (Mr. Koch, zillionaire owner of an energy company) will eventually lose their costly battle. They have spent millions of $$$ and don&#8217;t want to give up their fossil fuel profits.  They&#8217;ve used  legal tactics to block progress and have wasted precious time.   </p>
<p>This is the 21st century; climate change is a real threat to humankind.  It&#8217;s time for B.D. to face the fact that we need renewable energy. It doesn&#8217;t matter that it might be visible from her porch or Mr. Egan&#8217;s or Mr. Koch&#8217;s bedroom window. Even the rich people on Cape Cod will suffer from sea level rise, increasingly strong hurricanes, droughts, food shortages, insect borne diseases, etc.   </p>
<p>If B.D. has children, it&#8217;s time to think about their future.  Wind, solar and other clean, green energy solutions will enable us to leave a safer world for future generations. Our time on this planet is short; let&#8217;s think about how we&#8217;re treating the Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: David G. Tuerck</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-17174</link>
		<dc:creator>David G. Tuerck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 11:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth Kaplan says that the Beacon Hill Institute studies of Cape Wind have been &quot;completely discredited.&quot;  I invite him to point out one instance in which a source other than Cape Wind and its backers has even criticized our work.  The fact is that we found that the social costs of their project would exceed the social benefits by a factor of two-to-one.  If there is something wrong with our cost-benefit analysis, then tell us what it is.  Otherwise, please concede that the project is what we found it to be:  a huge waste of resources.  

David G. Tuerck
Executive Director
Beacon Hill Institute</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth Kaplan says that the Beacon Hill Institute studies of Cape Wind have been &#8220;completely discredited.&#8221;  I invite him to point out one instance in which a source other than Cape Wind and its backers has even criticized our work.  The fact is that we found that the social costs of their project would exceed the social benefits by a factor of two-to-one.  If there is something wrong with our cost-benefit analysis, then tell us what it is.  Otherwise, please concede that the project is what we found it to be:  a huge waste of resources.  </p>
<p>David G. Tuerck<br />
Executive Director<br />
Beacon Hill Institute</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16902</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the captains of the wind industry think we&#039;re nuts. 

World&#039;s largest manufacturer of wind turbines, Vestas, President and CEO Ditlev Engle stated of the Cape Wind project proposal to the Boston Globe: 

&quot;And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?” 

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/09/21/the_answers_to_him_are_blowing_in_the_wind/  

Senior VP of Vestas Peter Kruse: 

“The only way forward is more turbines in virgin ground onshore,” and, “Politicians want offshore so they can avoid the Nimby discussion, but they are allowing a tiny minority to force the rest of the population to pay double for renewable energy.”

http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2217931/vestas-calls-greater-focus

&quot;But G.E. no longer makes any offshore turbines, according to Steve Fludder, the head of G.E.’s green business unit who sat down for a wide-ranging interview
with The Times on Wednesday. 

G.E. has instead focused its turbine business where it sees the vast majority of demand: on land. Offshore wind, said Mr. Fludder, is “just a vastly costlier proposition — not for us but for the world.” 

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/cape-wind-navigates-shifts-in-market/#comment-45839</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the captains of the wind industry think we&#8217;re nuts. </p>
<p>World&#8217;s largest manufacturer of wind turbines, Vestas, President and CEO Ditlev Engle stated of the Cape Wind project proposal to the Boston Globe: </p>
<p>&#8220;And, therefore, I am really wondering why anybody wants to put them up offshore because it’s twice the price. So just as an outsider, I am just scratching my head saying, “Why?” </p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/09/21/the_answers_to_him_are_blowing_in_the_wind/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/09/21/the_answers_to_him_are_blowing_in_the_wind/</a>  </p>
<p>Senior VP of Vestas Peter Kruse: </p>
<p>“The only way forward is more turbines in virgin ground onshore,” and, “Politicians want offshore so they can avoid the Nimby discussion, but they are allowing a tiny minority to force the rest of the population to pay double for renewable energy.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2217931/vestas-calls-greater-focus" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2217931/vestas-calls-greater-focus</a></p>
<p>&#8220;But G.E. no longer makes any offshore turbines, according to Steve Fludder, the head of G.E.’s green business unit who sat down for a wide-ranging interview<br />
with The Times on Wednesday. </p>
<p>G.E. has instead focused its turbine business where it sees the vast majority of demand: on land. Offshore wind, said Mr. Fludder, is “just a vastly costlier proposition — not for us but for the world.” </p>
<p><a href="http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/cape-wind-navigates-shifts-in-market/#comment-45839" rel="nofollow">http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/cape-wind-navigates-shifts-in-market/#comment-45839</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16901</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ms. Kelly, 

Hull, MA. is “competing” with Cape Wind seeking 130, 3.6 MW offshore wind turbines,  when the Hull plan calls for only 4, and Cape Wind has no source for their spec’d 3.6 MW wind turbines.    

The Hull MTC grant provided $1.8 million for related studies, now spent.  You have also been awarded $951,000 from the Obama Administration $410 billion spending bill.  And, you have learned during this process that the original offshore site is not suitable.  You’re seeking another $40 million for construction, and more studies as some may have to be redone.  

As you have mentioned Christy Mihos, whom I don’t speak for, I consider that you may have read our op-ed that expresses our frustration as taxpayers continue to fund Cape Wind hardware specific GE 3.6 MW studies being conducting by 17 agencies, over a period of years, to determine the costs v benefits, radar interference, ACHP, USFWS, USCG, FAA, etc., effects of this “discontinued” &quot;prototype&quot; wind turbine.  

Multi-millions of taxpayers’ dollars are being wasted on studies related to “discontinued” offshore wind turbines.  Time is money and that’s been wasted, too.  

For every advantage you may perceive has been delivered by Hull land based WTGs, in bottom line economic terms, it appears that you’re not as progressive as you think you may be.  

I don&#039;t wish to insult you, or any Hull resident, but being in favor of an effort is conditioned upon the consideration that benefits will be realized. GE has left the risky business of sea altogether as their offshore wind dream is unrealized. 

“Being first isn’t always the best,” Hull Municipal Light Plant operations manager Richard Miller says – especially when it comes to a multi-million-dollar offshore construction project.”  

As it stands, Cape Wind and Hull Wind offshore projects are both phantom projects, each burning taxpayer dollars, with no potential return on our investments in sight. 

http://www.wickedlocal.com/hull/archive/x1683621822/Permitting-process-slow-going-for-offshore-wind-project-in-Hull</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ms. Kelly, </p>
<p>Hull, MA. is “competing” with Cape Wind seeking 130, 3.6 MW offshore wind turbines,  when the Hull plan calls for only 4, and Cape Wind has no source for their spec’d 3.6 MW wind turbines.    </p>
<p>The Hull MTC grant provided $1.8 million for related studies, now spent.  You have also been awarded $951,000 from the Obama Administration $410 billion spending bill.  And, you have learned during this process that the original offshore site is not suitable.  You’re seeking another $40 million for construction, and more studies as some may have to be redone.  </p>
<p>As you have mentioned Christy Mihos, whom I don’t speak for, I consider that you may have read our op-ed that expresses our frustration as taxpayers continue to fund Cape Wind hardware specific GE 3.6 MW studies being conducting by 17 agencies, over a period of years, to determine the costs v benefits, radar interference, ACHP, USFWS, USCG, FAA, etc., effects of this “discontinued” &#8220;prototype&#8221; wind turbine.  </p>
<p>Multi-millions of taxpayers’ dollars are being wasted on studies related to “discontinued” offshore wind turbines.  Time is money and that’s been wasted, too.  </p>
<p>For every advantage you may perceive has been delivered by Hull land based WTGs, in bottom line economic terms, it appears that you’re not as progressive as you think you may be.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t wish to insult you, or any Hull resident, but being in favor of an effort is conditioned upon the consideration that benefits will be realized. GE has left the risky business of sea altogether as their offshore wind dream is unrealized. </p>
<p>“Being first isn’t always the best,” Hull Municipal Light Plant operations manager Richard Miller says – especially when it comes to a multi-million-dollar offshore construction project.”  </p>
<p>As it stands, Cape Wind and Hull Wind offshore projects are both phantom projects, each burning taxpayer dollars, with no potential return on our investments in sight. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wickedlocal.com/hull/archive/x1683621822/Permitting-process-slow-going-for-offshore-wind-project-in-Hull" rel="nofollow">http://www.wickedlocal.com/hull/archive/x1683621822/Permitting-process-slow-going-for-offshore-wind-project-in-Hull</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marina Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16880</link>
		<dc:creator>Marina Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McLeod, former manager of Hull Municipal is a terrific speaker and should really be brought on the show to speak of Hull&#039;s experience with wind and their plan to expand to offshore...this is nuts and bolts decision making.

It would be interesting to hear Ms. Durkin and Christy Mihos speak against Hull&#039;s offshore turbines...it&#039;s not Cape Wind, but I wonder if she would present the same points to the citizens of Hull who are obviously in favor of this effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McLeod, former manager of Hull Municipal is a terrific speaker and should really be brought on the show to speak of Hull&#8217;s experience with wind and their plan to expand to offshore&#8230;this is nuts and bolts decision making.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to hear Ms. Durkin and Christy Mihos speak against Hull&#8217;s offshore turbines&#8230;it&#8217;s not Cape Wind, but I wonder if she would present the same points to the citizens of Hull who are obviously in favor of this effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray Kinnie</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16862</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray Kinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 05:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few points:  Saving energy is always the cheapest. 
Low tech hot water solar is used successfully in many parts of the world, Israel/Palestine for two.  Standardizing on one design and cheap labor work wonders.
Wind, nuclear, solar don&#039;t have to be subsidized in Europe; instead they have incredibly high taxes on gas and oil, making the others cheaper by comparison. 
Between high maintenance cost and windless periods, wind is only available 65% of the time.
THE BIGGEST POINTS:  No one in the press has the guts to honestly address nuclear energy.  One major accident and one minor one, both caused by stupidity, AND the constant scare tactics of the press have kept us from the most green, SAFEST, AND easily mass produced source of energy.  You question the word &quot;safest&quot;?  The industry reports that we&#039;ve had no deaths in running our nuclear plants, (but some suspected 2 or 3) throughout our US civilian industry&#039;s history.  Just mining coal loses more than that every year in just mining the stuff.  And how safe is working on a 300 foot high wind tower?  We forget what danger really is.  Danger to any one person is the product of how dangerous the product is times the risk of your being seriously exposed to it. We have deep, multiple  protection on all our systems and many outside inspectors doing contiuous safety inspections.
Understand that we don&#039;t even reprocess our spent fuel so we only get 5% of the energy out of it.  
One more thought:  There&#039;s nothing out there by that Nevada dessert cave.  We should use eminent domain, nationalize it and put a guard facility to protect it.
If you want some speakers/experts in this area, please contact me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few points:  Saving energy is always the cheapest.<br />
Low tech hot water solar is used successfully in many parts of the world, Israel/Palestine for two.  Standardizing on one design and cheap labor work wonders.<br />
Wind, nuclear, solar don&#8217;t have to be subsidized in Europe; instead they have incredibly high taxes on gas and oil, making the others cheaper by comparison.<br />
Between high maintenance cost and windless periods, wind is only available 65% of the time.<br />
THE BIGGEST POINTS:  No one in the press has the guts to honestly address nuclear energy.  One major accident and one minor one, both caused by stupidity, AND the constant scare tactics of the press have kept us from the most green, SAFEST, AND easily mass produced source of energy.  You question the word &#8220;safest&#8221;?  The industry reports that we&#8217;ve had no deaths in running our nuclear plants, (but some suspected 2 or 3) throughout our US civilian industry&#8217;s history.  Just mining coal loses more than that every year in just mining the stuff.  And how safe is working on a 300 foot high wind tower?  We forget what danger really is.  Danger to any one person is the product of how dangerous the product is times the risk of your being seriously exposed to it. We have deep, multiple  protection on all our systems and many outside inspectors doing contiuous safety inspections.<br />
Understand that we don&#8217;t even reprocess our spent fuel so we only get 5% of the energy out of it.<br />
One more thought:  There&#8217;s nothing out there by that Nevada dessert cave.  We should use eminent domain, nationalize it and put a guard facility to protect it.<br />
If you want some speakers/experts in this area, please contact me.</p>
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		<title>By: David Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16860</link>
		<dc:creator>David Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought distribution was the reason that wind power is not economically viable except in a few limited areas of low population density, you no commenter has addresed that issue. Our electrical grid is over-stressed and insecure (re recent stories about how it was &quot;hacked&quot; by unknown persons). Every mile that wind-generated power needs to travel to population centers increases costs astronomically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought distribution was the reason that wind power is not economically viable except in a few limited areas of low population density, you no commenter has addresed that issue. Our electrical grid is over-stressed and insecure (re recent stories about how it was &#8220;hacked&#8221; by unknown persons). Every mile that wind-generated power needs to travel to population centers increases costs astronomically.</p>
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		<title>By: Putney Swope</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16857</link>
		<dc:creator>Putney Swope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/sorry I meant to say this was in today&#039;s NY Times in the Environment section. It&#039;s a town called Vauban and it looks great to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/sorry I meant to say this was in today&#8217;s NY Times in the Environment section. It&#8217;s a town called Vauban and it looks great to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Putney Swope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Putney Swope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we here in this country are sitting around arguing about wind energy the Germans have been building model suburbs that are designed not to need cars. 

This is the model of the future, they have houses so well built that they do not need heating systems. 

NY Times&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we here in this country are sitting around arguing about wind energy the Germans have been building model suburbs that are designed not to need cars. </p>
<p>This is the model of the future, they have houses so well built that they do not need heating systems. </p>
<p>NY Times</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no financial interest in the outcome of any wind project except as a ratepayer and taxpayer.  I am not a business associate of Richard Egan.  I am dedicated to spreading the knowledge I have accumulated over six years by my independent research of cost v benefits of wind for the greater public good.  I live 90 miles away from Cape Cod, so the NIMBY crowd does not include me. 

My research reveals the benefits extend to industry and business. While wind energy costs are borne by ratepayers, taxpayers, and wildlife.  

You know not what you speak, Nathan Lemmon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no financial interest in the outcome of any wind project except as a ratepayer and taxpayer.  I am not a business associate of Richard Egan.  I am dedicated to spreading the knowledge I have accumulated over six years by my independent research of cost v benefits of wind for the greater public good.  I live 90 miles away from Cape Cod, so the NIMBY crowd does not include me. </p>
<p>My research reveals the benefits extend to industry and business. While wind energy costs are borne by ratepayers, taxpayers, and wildlife.  </p>
<p>You know not what you speak, Nathan Lemmon.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Lemmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Lemmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that On Point should do research as to who calls in. The person &quot;Barbara from Northboro&quot; is a business associate of Billionaire waterfront estate owner Richard Egan of Osterville, Massachusetts. Hundreds (if not thousands) of her comments can be found all over the net against Cape Wind. She professes to be a concerned citizen - and she is certainly quite dedicated, but she is obviously a leader of the NIMBY crowd and I think she should not be able to get on the air without some kind of transparency. You guys messed up on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that On Point should do research as to who calls in. The person &#8220;Barbara from Northboro&#8221; is a business associate of Billionaire waterfront estate owner Richard Egan of Osterville, Massachusetts. Hundreds (if not thousands) of her comments can be found all over the net against Cape Wind. She professes to be a concerned citizen &#8211; and she is certainly quite dedicated, but she is obviously a leader of the NIMBY crowd and I think she should not be able to get on the air without some kind of transparency. You guys messed up on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16851</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing your astute observation, Rob Pforzheimer.  Enron&#039;s &quot;Hypothetical Future-Value Accounting&quot; is the business model being used by the wind industy. This is about turf and taxes, not environmental, public, or economic benefits. The craven interests&#039; of multi-national corporations are being served by wind, not us, and not the environment. 

Enron Wind was bought out by GE, and GE&#039;s motto is: &quot;Green is green&quot;.   

June 8, 2005 by the Providence Journal (Rhode Island)
 
&#039;Hypothetical Future-Value Accounting — The Tragicomedy that was Enron&#039;
 
http://www.desmogblog.com/enron-type-accounting-used-to-calculate-carbon-offsets
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LA Times 1 1/02
General Electric Co. is seeking the refund of almost half the $358 million it paid to an Enron Corp. unit for wind-turbine manufacturing assets, lawyers told a federal bankruptcy judge in New York on Thursday.

E2It’s standard procedure,” said Dennis Murphy, a spokesman for GE Power Systems, who confirmed the company’s refund request.

“Purchasers have certain protections built in. If the purchase price didn’t accurately reflect the value of the asset, we can petition,” he said.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/nov/15/business/fi-wind15

‘Report Says Sun and Wind Power Could Threaten Nation’s Electrical Grid’ 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/business/10grid.html

‘Blackout puts outdated power grid in spotlight’ 

“European regulators have launched an enquiry over the power cut that briefly left 10 million people in the dark last week-end. But the outing also raised questions about the grid’s ability to cope with the addition of renewable energy sources.

The outage that left 10 million Europeans without power on 6 November is still=2 0bein g investigated, but some think that the grid’s inability to deal with ever-increasing amounts of wind power might be an explanation.”

http://www.euractiv.com/en/energy/blackout-puts-outdated-power-grid-spotlight/article-159530</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing your astute observation, Rob Pforzheimer.  Enron&#8217;s &#8220;Hypothetical Future-Value Accounting&#8221; is the business model being used by the wind industy. This is about turf and taxes, not environmental, public, or economic benefits. The craven interests&#8217; of multi-national corporations are being served by wind, not us, and not the environment. </p>
<p>Enron Wind was bought out by GE, and GE&#8217;s motto is: &#8220;Green is green&#8221;.   </p>
<p>June 8, 2005 by the Providence Journal (Rhode Island)</p>
<p>&#8216;Hypothetical Future-Value Accounting — The Tragicomedy that was Enron&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/enron-type-accounting-used-to-calculate-carbon-offsets" rel="nofollow">http://www.desmogblog.com/enron-type-accounting-used-to-calculate-carbon-offsets</a><br />
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<p>LA Times 1 1/02<br />
General Electric Co. is seeking the refund of almost half the $358 million it paid to an Enron Corp. unit for wind-turbine manufacturing assets, lawyers told a federal bankruptcy judge in New York on Thursday.</p>
<p>E2It’s standard procedure,” said Dennis Murphy, a spokesman for GE Power Systems, who confirmed the company’s refund request.</p>
<p>“Purchasers have certain protections built in. If the purchase price didn’t accurately reflect the value of the asset, we can petition,” he said.”</p>
<p><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2002/nov/15/business/fi-wind15" rel="nofollow">http://articles.latimes.com/2002/nov/15/business/fi-wind15</a></p>
<p>‘Report Says Sun and Wind Power Could Threaten Nation’s Electrical Grid’ </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/business/10grid.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/business/10grid.html</a></p>
<p>‘Blackout puts outdated power grid in spotlight’ </p>
<p>“European regulators have launched an enquiry over the power cut that briefly left 10 million people in the dark last week-end. But the outing also raised questions about the grid’s ability to cope with the addition of renewable energy sources.</p>
<p>The outage that left 10 million Europeans without power on 6 November is still=2 0bein g investigated, but some think that the grid’s inability to deal with ever-increasing amounts of wind power might be an explanation.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.euractiv.com/en/energy/blackout-puts-outdated-power-grid-spotlight/article-159530" rel="nofollow">http://www.euractiv.com/en/energy/blackout-puts-outdated-power-grid-spotlight/article-159530</a></p>
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		<title>By: rob pforzheimer</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16850</link>
		<dc:creator>rob pforzheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clipper&#039;s origins are with Enron. The reason this co is in financial trouble has more to do with their building junk that required recalling their entire 2007 production of turbines with faulty gears than with the financial crisis. Now their blades are also cracking and bubbling requiring warranty repairs.
Mr.Dehlsen said that Clipper stock is listed on the London AIM exchange (CWP.L). I don&#039;t know why he failed to mention that it is also listed on the Pink Sheet in the US (CRPWF.PK). The stock had deservedly lost over 75% of it&#039;s value in the past year.
Giving this co. gov&#039;t money is worse than giving it to GM for building crappy cars.
The wind industry can&#039;t stand on it&#039;s own without tax breaks, subsidies and renewable energy mandates. 
So called wind &quot;farms&quot; are destroying much of rural America with noise and habitat destruction. Properties near wind plants are being rendered worthless. 
The claims of this industry are bogus. The only thing green about it is the money that investors and developers will make at the expense of ratepayers and taxpayers. 
SCAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clipper&#8217;s origins are with Enron. The reason this co is in financial trouble has more to do with their building junk that required recalling their entire 2007 production of turbines with faulty gears than with the financial crisis. Now their blades are also cracking and bubbling requiring warranty repairs.<br />
Mr.Dehlsen said that Clipper stock is listed on the London AIM exchange (CWP.L). I don&#8217;t know why he failed to mention that it is also listed on the Pink Sheet in the US (CRPWF.PK). The stock had deservedly lost over 75% of it&#8217;s value in the past year.<br />
Giving this co. gov&#8217;t money is worse than giving it to GM for building crappy cars.<br />
The wind industry can&#8217;t stand on it&#8217;s own without tax breaks, subsidies and renewable energy mandates.<br />
So called wind &#8220;farms&#8221; are destroying much of rural America with noise and habitat destruction. Properties near wind plants are being rendered worthless.<br />
The claims of this industry are bogus. The only thing green about it is the money that investors and developers will make at the expense of ratepayers and taxpayers.<br />
SCAM</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16848</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know where you get your information about wind energy costs, Marty Gardner, but I do note that you offer no citations. The reason why you keep hearing about the high cost of wind energy is because it&#039;s true. 

The rule of thumb is that offshore wind costs twice as much as onshore wind that cost twice as much as conventional sources of energy.  

Please note that most of the studies I cite and provide links for, do not pertain to offshore wind.   

Cape Wind is not economically viable even with public subsidies:  

http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/05/2400385-even-rich-nimbys-cant-afford-cape-winds-energy?mode=edit
 
Cape Wind represents a public safety hazard:
 
http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/05/01/2762454-cape-wind-faa-notice-of-presumed-hazard-
 
Cape Wind represents immitigable harm to endangered species:
 
http://bjdurk.newsvine.mobi/_news/2009/03/11/2534556-dear-secretary-salazar-please-do-not-sign-off-on-cape-wind-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know where you get your information about wind energy costs, Marty Gardner, but I do note that you offer no citations. The reason why you keep hearing about the high cost of wind energy is because it&#8217;s true. </p>
<p>The rule of thumb is that offshore wind costs twice as much as onshore wind that cost twice as much as conventional sources of energy.  </p>
<p>Please note that most of the studies I cite and provide links for, do not pertain to offshore wind.   </p>
<p>Cape Wind is not economically viable even with public subsidies:  </p>
<p><a href="http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/05/2400385-even-rich-nimbys-cant-afford-cape-winds-energy?mode=edit" rel="nofollow">http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/05/2400385-even-rich-nimbys-cant-afford-cape-winds-energy?mode=edit</a></p>
<p>Cape Wind represents a public safety hazard:</p>
<p><a href="http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/05/01/2762454-cape-wind-faa-notice-of-presumed-hazard-" rel="nofollow">http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/05/01/2762454-cape-wind-faa-notice-of-presumed-hazard-</a></p>
<p>Cape Wind represents immitigable harm to endangered species:</p>
<p><a href="http://bjdurk.newsvine.mobi/_news/2009/03/11/2534556-dear-secretary-salazar-please-do-not-sign-off-on-cape-wind-" rel="nofollow">http://bjdurk.newsvine.mobi/_news/2009/03/11/2534556-dear-secretary-salazar-please-do-not-sign-off-on-cape-wind-</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marty Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16844</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep hearing people talk about the &#039;true&#039; cost of wind being higher than advertised, which is blatantly false. With wind energy, ALL costs are known at the outset and are included in all discussions.  What these people fail to realize is that when the coal, oil, and especially nuclear lobbies advertise their costs, they do NOT include the cost of disposing of the waste.  These costs are significant!  Also, the cost of fuel for these other forms of energy fluctuate wildly at the whim of the market, while the cost of wind is $ZERO.  A recent study that took ALL costs into account showed that wind is truly &#039;the low price leader&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing people talk about the &#8216;true&#8217; cost of wind being higher than advertised, which is blatantly false. With wind energy, ALL costs are known at the outset and are included in all discussions.  What these people fail to realize is that when the coal, oil, and especially nuclear lobbies advertise their costs, they do NOT include the cost of disposing of the waste.  These costs are significant!  Also, the cost of fuel for these other forms of energy fluctuate wildly at the whim of the market, while the cost of wind is $ZERO.  A recent study that took ALL costs into account showed that wind is truly &#8216;the low price leader&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16838</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My &quot;agenda&quot;, Attorney Kaplan, is to serve public and environmental interests&#039;, not the interest of a Limited Liability Corporation seeking tax sheltering opportunities.  

You may recall telling me that if I was worried about anything related to Cape Wind, it should be the marine mammals. 

Have lead federal Cape Wind reviewing agency, Minerals Management Service, and the U.S. EPA been discredited, too, Seth?  

U.S. EPA response (CEQ #20090006) to the MMS Cape Wind MMS Final Environmental Impact Statement of 2/17/09 to MMS James Bennett:     

“Alternatives”
 
“We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable.” 

 “In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”

Appendix F:   

“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”

Source: http://www.mms.gov/offshore/AlternativeEnergy/PDFs/FEIS/Appendix%20F%20-%20Economic_Model.pdf 

David Cottingham, Executive Director of the Marine Mammal Commission, the federal agency established under the Marine Mammal Protection Act, 2/23/2005 to the USACE Col. Koning:

“There is little doubt that activities associated with the proposed action, particularly the use of pile drivers for tower construction will result in the taking of marine mammals by harassment.” 

The truth is outing, Seth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My &#8220;agenda&#8221;, Attorney Kaplan, is to serve public and environmental interests&#8217;, not the interest of a Limited Liability Corporation seeking tax sheltering opportunities.  </p>
<p>You may recall telling me that if I was worried about anything related to Cape Wind, it should be the marine mammals. </p>
<p>Have lead federal Cape Wind reviewing agency, Minerals Management Service, and the U.S. EPA been discredited, too, Seth?  </p>
<p>U.S. EPA response (CEQ #20090006) to the MMS Cape Wind MMS Final Environmental Impact Statement of 2/17/09 to MMS James Bennett:     </p>
<p>“Alternatives”</p>
<p>“We also noted that discussion about economic viability of the smaller scale project are complex given statements in the DEIS that the proposed project and other sites are not economically viable.” </p>
<p> “In addition, the information contained in the Economic Model in Appendix F remains unchanged.”</p>
<p>Appendix F:   </p>
<p>“Given the estimated COST OF ENERGY IS $122/MWh, TWICE THAT OF THE CURRENT MARKET AND THIS IS AFTER THE FULL BENEFIT OF TAX AND RPS INCENTIVES, the prospects of entering a long-term purchase power contract would seem low.”</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.mms.gov/offshore/AlternativeEnergy/PDFs/FEIS/Appendix%20F%20-%20Economic_Model.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.mms.gov/offshore/AlternativeEnergy/PDFs/FEIS/Appendix%20F%20-%20Economic_Model.pdf</a> </p>
<p>David Cottingham, Executive Director of the Marine Mammal Commission, the federal agency established under the Marine Mammal Protection Act, 2/23/2005 to the USACE Col. Koning:</p>
<p>“There is little doubt that activities associated with the proposed action, particularly the use of pile drivers for tower construction will result in the taking of marine mammals by harassment.” </p>
<p>The truth is outing, Seth.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/05/headwinds-for-wind-power/comment-page-1#comment-16837</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had a bergey 10kw wind turbine since 2002. Located on the east shore of Cayuga Lake in central NY, it provides about 80% of my electrical usage. I am delighted that I installed the windmill when I did. 

NY&#039;s energy subsidy, touted as a great boon to us all, has a serious drawback, in my opinion; only the wealthy can now afford to install one.

In order to receive the subsidy, it must be installed by a certified installer. Good idea, but -- The cost of the same wind turbine is now 34-35,000 dollars, grid intertied, but the cost installed by a certified installer is 64 - 65,000 dollars. Which is to say, the full amount of the subsidy goes to the installer, none to the one who buys it. Although the benefit to the public of the additional energy that comes from green sources is great, it seems that the primary benefit is to those who install them, a more diffuse benefit to reducing our collective dependence on fossil fuels.

The bill to subsidize wind power was (I&#039;m told) written by the utilities. If that is true, then it makes sense to make individual production of energy a rich man&#039;s game; if the goal is to allow the utilities to control the production of green wind energy, because they are the only ones who can afford it, the bill makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had a bergey 10kw wind turbine since 2002. Located on the east shore of Cayuga Lake in central NY, it provides about 80% of my electrical usage. I am delighted that I installed the windmill when I did. </p>
<p>NY&#8217;s energy subsidy, touted as a great boon to us all, has a serious drawback, in my opinion; only the wealthy can now afford to install one.</p>
<p>In order to receive the subsidy, it must be installed by a certified installer. Good idea, but &#8212; The cost of the same wind turbine is now 34-35,000 dollars, grid intertied, but the cost installed by a certified installer is 64 &#8211; 65,000 dollars. Which is to say, the full amount of the subsidy goes to the installer, none to the one who buys it. Although the benefit to the public of the additional energy that comes from green sources is great, it seems that the primary benefit is to those who install them, a more diffuse benefit to reducing our collective dependence on fossil fuels.</p>
<p>The bill to subsidize wind power was (I&#8217;m told) written by the utilities. If that is true, then it makes sense to make individual production of energy a rich man&#8217;s game; if the goal is to allow the utilities to control the production of green wind energy, because they are the only ones who can afford it, the bill makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim LuceWireman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim LuceWireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cost of &quot;clean&quot; coal is the same as &quot;clean&quot; oil and all fossil fuels. Trillions of tons of heavy metals, carbon, benzene and other petro-chemical gases and liquids that are ejected into the air, land, water and into our bodies are killing us and the planet.  The REAL cost of fossil fuels is disease and death of our children and the Earth.

If renewable energy resources had the government subsidies of the fossil fuel and nuclear industries,  we would be generating all of our electricity using solar, wind and geothermal; and our cars would not need gasoline or ethanol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cost of &#8220;clean&#8221; coal is the same as &#8220;clean&#8221; oil and all fossil fuels. Trillions of tons of heavy metals, carbon, benzene and other petro-chemical gases and liquids that are ejected into the air, land, water and into our bodies are killing us and the planet.  The REAL cost of fossil fuels is disease and death of our children and the Earth.</p>
<p>If renewable energy resources had the government subsidies of the fossil fuel and nuclear industries,  we would be generating all of our electricity using solar, wind and geothermal; and our cars would not need gasoline or ethanol.</p>
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		<title>By: Maki Dervo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maki Dervo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this link reports 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas
found in Louisiana

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124104549891270585.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this link reports 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas<br />
found in Louisiana</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124104549891270585.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124104549891270585.html</a></p>
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