However, I take offense on false accusations and/or abuse of this horrible even

It’s spelled Holocaust. Lilya if you were anywhere in occupied Europe from 1939 – 1945 you would have been shot on the spot for saying you were not Jewish. Which under the nazi laws of the period you would have been classified as a Jew. You could have denied to you were blue in the face or bleeding on the ground, it would not have meant a thing.

You made statements about the Holocaust that was only something that happened in Europe. Your whole tone is degrading, and now you try to back track. No. Your not allowed to change your story here. It’s in black and white you have made your statements now live with them.

You defend Ahmadinejad only to make your twisted misinformed points and to spout your thinly disguised anti-Israeli crusade.

Are you aware that Antisemitism was rife in this country and still is. Up until the late 50’s most Ivy League Universities had quotas on how many Jews they let in.
That is was common to see signs in restaurants and hotels all across the USA that read “No Dogs or Jews Allowed”, yes some were written with Jews being put under dogs. This was deliberate.

You go on keep playing your word games, I for one am not being fooled by you.

First learn to spell holocaust. Second if your were in Poland in 1939-40 and you said this to an SS officer you would have been shot on the spot. How are you kidding.

I’m not a religious Jew and find all religions wanting and the cause of so much strife in the world. However the Holocaust was not about religion, it was about a plan to wipe out every Jew and Gypsy in Europe and to murder and enslave as many Slavic people needed to build Hitler’s 1000 year reich and to expand the German empire. It was called the final solution.

Your comments here and elsewhere on this forum are as I have said offensive. No gives a damn.

By the way in up until the early 60’s Jews were denied seats at tables in a lot of the same restaurants that denied African Americans. Up until the late 50’s Ivy League Universities had quotas on how many Jews they let in.

It was common to see signs in restaurants throughout the USA that read “No Dogs or Jews Allowed”. This is why they started there own vacation areas such as the one in the Catskills in New York. Your entitled to deny your background but millions died claiming what you have, not 100% Jewish, indeed.

ANOTHER source – Reuters quoting a DIRECT QUOTE from Iran’s official news agency.

http://www.zionism-israel.com/news/ahmedinejad_again.htm

Iran’s Ahmadinejad casts doubt on Holocaust

By Paul Hughes December 9, 2005

TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday expressed doubt the Holocaust took place and suggested the Jewish state of Israel be moved to Europe.

His comments, reported by Iran’s official IRNA news agency from a news conference he gave in the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, follow his call in October for Israel to be “wiped off the map”, which sparked widespread international outrage.

The latest comments also provoked quick condemnation. German Chancellor Angela Merkel called them “totally unacceptable” and British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said “I condemn them unreservedly. They have no place in civilised political debate.”

Ahmadinejad was quoted by IRNA as saying: “Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail.”

“Although we don’t accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?” he said.

I’m sure you can find hundreds of millions of people who agree that the basis of his question in the final paragraph is valid. He is simply asking “Do the Europeans support Israel BECAUSE of the Holocaust?”. And in that paragraph he is allowing that the Holocaust ‘potentially’ happened ONLY for the sake of being able to ask the question at all.

My answer to his question would have to be ‘yes’. I can’t think of any other reason the Allied Powers created the State of Israel where it is. The argument being “They were killed because of their religion and the least we can do is give them the state they want where they want it”. It had to be the ‘right place at the right time’. As I said before, if the Holocaust happened 20 or 30 years ago, I do not believe there would be a state of Israel. And if there were, more than likely, as Ahmadinejad suggests, it would be in Germany. Of course the Jews wouldn’t want it there, it does not meet their “promised land” requirement.

If you look at the common history of BOTH religions, it is sadly reminiscent of 2 children fighting over the spoils of their parents’ estate. Unless you can get their deities (probably the same ‘being’) to sit everyone down and parcel out the goods in ‘person’, it will go on forever. Think about it, both consider Moses and Abraham to be Prophets, Abraham a common ancestor through his sons Ishmael and Isaac. Both the Israelis and Palestinians claim they MUST HAVE Jerusalem as their capitol. Certainly there are those who would gladly share it, but those voices do not currently rise above the “all mine” voices.

I should not have made a blanket statement, but from all the sources I trust (Robert Fisk, Trita Parsi, Hooman Majd, Reza, etc. ) the result was suspect.

Now say Ahmadinejad did get more votes, fine so be it, but from my analysis They Didn’t Even Count All The Votes! Ahmadinejad’s own Interior Ministry was in charge of counting ballots.

Come on babe, in the words of King, ” an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere ” so all I’m saying is count all the votes.

Ahmadinejad, the stupid S.O.B. might of ‘ Coupt te dat’d ‘ himself!! You’re right it is just another country, and there interests ‘vis a vis’ the U.s. won’t change no matter who wins. So I’m not taking sides.

But I don’t want to see another Tianneman, and it’s likely there will be unless they count the votes. At night they’re shouting from the rooftops of Tehran, like in 79′.

” there’s something happening here, what it is ain’t exactly clear, there’s a man with a gun over there, telling me I got to beware “

You don’t know. We just don’t know. You cannot make a blanket statement like this. Should know better than that.

Anybody who is familiar with the tribal/arab lands should also know that whenever there is an election, most of the clan votes with whatever the tribal leader tells them so. It is the same in most of families living in the rural areas. Is it good or bad, not that important.

But don’t fooled by the Tehran and the rich neighborhoods. And also, we should not care too much about Iran that much; because it is just another country to American Constitution.

But of course, if you throw in “Israel”, things change…. as if Israel = America. It is NOT!!! And it should not be!

Clearly the violence has escalated in Tehran in the last 24 hours. Clearly the actual results of the vote (either way) have been pre-empted.

The election… Sure they stole it: Up front and honestly

Blood in the streets, and the spirit of freedom lingers still. And Cheney wanted war with these brave young freedom fighters. How many times did he dodge the draft, hmmmm, about as many times he had heart surgery with his government run insurance, I suppose.

As a former jewish person (was not 100%) I do take offense if anybody denies that holocause has ever happened.

However, I take offense on false accusations and/or abuse of this horrible event.

Ahmedinejad has never ever “denied”. If he did so, here is the medium for open mike: Show the quote!!!

Even if he explicitly 100% denied, it does not give a single right for European Jews to take other people’s land. Period.

There are some freaks, who “denies” along with condemnation of the Occupation. Yes, Denying is wrong, but Being Against the Occupation is “Perfectly Right”. We should not mix/match causes and comments at our (Tel Aviv/AIPAC’s) convenience.

Also the country had announced the results before Iranians could vote in the eastern parts of US and Canada, and as we all know there are large communities of Iranians in that part of the world.

Lastly, there have been massive protests in other major cities as well, whereby large crowds of Mousavi supporters, young and old, have been protesting for their rights.

Please do cover these points should you have more discussion about this matter.

The man claims that millions of Jews were NOT killed by Hitler and the Nazis. The FACT is – YES THEY WERE. GO to the Holocaust Museum. If you can’t go there in person, here is a link to the website:
http://www.ushmm.org/holocaust/

There are still some living survivors of the camps – GO FIND THEM, TALK TO THEM, ASK TO SEE THE IDENTIFICATION TATTOO ON THEIR ARMS. IF they can bring themselves to talk about it.

NO ONE has EVER said the Holocaust happened in the Middle East. Is it fair that the 20th Century Palestinian lands were taken because millions of Jews were brutalized and killed by Hitler and the Nazis in Europe? I don’t think so. But the timing and political history of the region allowed it to happen. The French and British control in the region was waning in the late 1930’s but the Middle Eastern States were not yet free of their political control.

And please lets not claim COLONIALISM! The Romans pushed all the way up into the British Isles to gain political territory. The Muslims invaded and controlled territory from China and India to North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula starting around 700. In fact, the Prophet Muhammad’s rise to power (religious, political and military) started nearly a hundred years earlier. You might want to consider that the Prophet Muhammad had all the adult male Jews in Medina killed, the women and children enslaved in 627. It is not hard to find some angle which supports the claims of either side in the Palestinian/Israeli conflicts. The affronts may have been yesterday or 400 years ago, but they exist on both sides.

By the way, I am neither Jewish nor Muslim. I have no religious ’skin’ in this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/16/iran-elections-rally-tehran

A lot is going on in Iran, and thanks to people with cameras events like this are being recorded.

Your methods are classic propaganda, you attempt to demonize the opposing view point and when that does not work you use insults about age and so on.
You call me a Zionist, which if you have read my comments with any thread of intelligence you would see that I am far from it. I have said many, many times that I am deeply troubled by what is happening in Israel and that I do not support the right wing political parties there.

That’s neither here nor there. The issue is your complete lack of understanding or acceptance that the world does not revolve around you and your ideology.

I see a narcissist at work here. Your personal BS is so tied up in your comments that it has become clear to me anyway that you use this forum to vent your personal problems through the lens of Palestinian Israeli conflict. You have posted your personal story here for all to read. That’s a sign of immaturity and kind of dumb.

Anyone who is not into your vision of politics is thick or should go back to Europe or whatever. This is the kind of mentality one expects from children.

You show the world not only your ignorance, but a complete lack of understanding of the meaning of nuance and opinion. You don’t know how to debate, you can’t form a thesis or use critical thinking.

Bottom line for me is that your comments on the Holocaust were extremely offensive to me. It seems to me that the producers of this show in the guise of free speech have seen fit to let you post whatever it is you want to. Shame on them. Shame on you as a Jew to use the memory of so many for your warped view on the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWfwgBSPlGc&feature=related

Anybody while expressing opinion about the elections in Iran also mentions that Ahmedinejad has said that he was going to wipe Israel, etc., is either well paid from those mickey-mouse garbage think-tanks and/or is related to Israel with religious/ethnic ties. If somebody who claims that he/she is a scholar and an expert on Iran, has to know that Ahmedinejad has never ever said anything like that.

On an unrelated story…. we need a regime change in Israel.
Bibi said to Obama: If the U.S. does not hit the Iranian Nuclear Energy Research Centers, Israel will wipe them off from the face of the map with the staff in them.

Speaking of wiping off the map….

Skewed and in secret, this Iraq inquiry is a scandalWe badly need to learn from the most important foreign policy decision of the last decade. This tissue won’t help us

Jonathan Steele guardian.co.uk, Monday 15 June 2009 23.30 BST Article historyGordon Brown’s ­announcement of a secret inquiry into the runup to and conduct of Britain’s invasion and occupation of Iraq (not the nouns he used, of course) is scandalous.

Everything you said …. Ahmedinejad agrees with you 100%…. holocaust has happend, but it was in Europe.

Why are you soooooooooooo thick. Europe is not the Middle East.

Take your zion-Isreal and live in Eastern Europe and leave the Middle East alone.