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		<title>By: C. M. Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/07/u-s-nuns-and-the-vatican/comment-page-2#comment-21554</link>
		<dc:creator>C. M. Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One really is at a loss to understand the genesis of not one but two Vatican investigations of active religious communities of women in the United States.
 
The institutional Roman Catholic Church is going to the proverbial hell in a handbasket as a result of the documented and widespread abuse of children in countries around the world, most recently in Ireland, and yet Vatican authorities have seen fit to initiate the nitpicking of active congregations of women religious without so much as the courtesy of first communicating with those who are the elected leadership of the majority of those communities.
 
Other then the speciousness of innuendo have there been any specific charges leveled against any religious congregation in the United States?
 
Not to my knowledge.
 
Against all odds, women religious have worked and flourished in this country for centuries since the Ursuline Sisters first arrived in New Orleans, Louisiana in 1727.
 
A trip to the Cincinnati History Museum to view the current show, &quot;Women &amp; Spirit, Catholic Sisters in America,&quot; is a real eye-opener especially for those unfamiliar with the major congregations of women in the church and visiting that exhibit should be required of every bishop in the United States.
 
The Holy See, the Vatican, the Congregation of the Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly known as the Holy Office for the Inquisition, Cardinals Franc Rodé and William Levada would do well to look instead at themselves and their brother bishops around the world. 
 
The hierarchy has previously tried to blame the presence in the priesthood of those with a homosexual orientation for the tragedy of childhood sexual abuse.  That hasn&#039;t worked so they are now attempting to deflect attention from their own moral turpitude by attacking the sisters.  
 
That will be as ineffective as actually trying to blame them for the rampant sexual abuse of minors that has gone on in this country.
 
I agree with what Tom Fox has been quoted as saying in the New York Times recently, &quot;Next time, let’s have our women religious study the quality of life of our male clerics.”   
 
Better yet, let&#039;s be more specific: refine that objective and find some funding so that the Leadership Council of Women Religious could initiate a study of the recent actions of American bishops, say over the last fifty years, that enabled such widespread sexual abuse of children, young men, women and vulnerable adults as well as the quality of life of the hierarchy.
 
Now, wouldn&#039;t that be a worthwhile reversal of roles?
 
 
Catherine Mary Henry
Havertown, Pennsylvania
In the Archdiocese of Philadelphia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One really is at a loss to understand the genesis of not one but two Vatican investigations of active religious communities of women in the United States.</p>
<p>The institutional Roman Catholic Church is going to the proverbial hell in a handbasket as a result of the documented and widespread abuse of children in countries around the world, most recently in Ireland, and yet Vatican authorities have seen fit to initiate the nitpicking of active congregations of women religious without so much as the courtesy of first communicating with those who are the elected leadership of the majority of those communities.</p>
<p>Other then the speciousness of innuendo have there been any specific charges leveled against any religious congregation in the United States?</p>
<p>Not to my knowledge.</p>
<p>Against all odds, women religious have worked and flourished in this country for centuries since the Ursuline Sisters first arrived in New Orleans, Louisiana in 1727.</p>
<p>A trip to the Cincinnati History Museum to view the current show, &#8220;Women &amp; Spirit, Catholic Sisters in America,&#8221; is a real eye-opener especially for those unfamiliar with the major congregations of women in the church and visiting that exhibit should be required of every bishop in the United States.</p>
<p>The Holy See, the Vatican, the Congregation of the Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly known as the Holy Office for the Inquisition, Cardinals Franc Rodé and William Levada would do well to look instead at themselves and their brother bishops around the world. </p>
<p>The hierarchy has previously tried to blame the presence in the priesthood of those with a homosexual orientation for the tragedy of childhood sexual abuse.  That hasn&#8217;t worked so they are now attempting to deflect attention from their own moral turpitude by attacking the sisters.  </p>
<p>That will be as ineffective as actually trying to blame them for the rampant sexual abuse of minors that has gone on in this country.</p>
<p>I agree with what Tom Fox has been quoted as saying in the New York Times recently, &#8220;Next time, let’s have our women religious study the quality of life of our male clerics.”   </p>
<p>Better yet, let&#8217;s be more specific: refine that objective and find some funding so that the Leadership Council of Women Religious could initiate a study of the recent actions of American bishops, say over the last fifty years, that enabled such widespread sexual abuse of children, young men, women and vulnerable adults as well as the quality of life of the hierarchy.</p>
<p>Now, wouldn&#8217;t that be a worthwhile reversal of roles?</p>
<p>Catherine Mary Henry<br />
Havertown, Pennsylvania<br />
In the Archdiocese of Philadelphia</p>
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		<title>By: Catholicism in the News &#171; From the Pews in the Back</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/07/u-s-nuns-and-the-vatican/comment-page-2#comment-21430</link>
		<dc:creator>Catholicism in the News &#171; From the Pews in the Back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for a quick way to get caught up, these are a few stories that we recommend. (1) WBUR&#8217;s interview with Sandra Schneiders, among others, on the inquiry into US convents (Click &#8220;Listen to This [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did not allow the traditional sister very much time to speak. Why did you shut her out in such a way.  She made a great point that should have been pursued with the same interest as you did Sister Sandra. Her point was that Any organization that cares about its mission is reviewed. Many Sisters work in health care and they are aware that JACHO can come at any time, unannounced to review all levels of hospital care and procedures. Persons who work in food delivery for the public realize that the health inspector can come and review their procedures for proper food handling and storage. 
What do the good sisters wish to hide? 
I love religious women. They are unsung heroes who serve the poor and teach. I think the Church is right to investigate those who seem to be living religious life on the fridge or those who promote teachings that support living life on the fridge. I believe alot of the clergy scandal began in a faulty seminary life and bad theology. Harmful ideas breed harmful actions. I heard such harmful ideas from your two Sister guest. They seemed to equivicate on several of the the interviewers questions. At other times, they begged the question. For example, it seems clear to me that it is not possible or logical to be a nun who is a member of a religious institute and not be a member of the Church. I hope that if you do anymore interviews on this topic, you will show some journalistic integrity and allow for both sides of the issue to be clearly expressed. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did not allow the traditional sister very much time to speak. Why did you shut her out in such a way.  She made a great point that should have been pursued with the same interest as you did Sister Sandra. Her point was that Any organization that cares about its mission is reviewed. Many Sisters work in health care and they are aware that JACHO can come at any time, unannounced to review all levels of hospital care and procedures. Persons who work in food delivery for the public realize that the health inspector can come and review their procedures for proper food handling and storage.<br />
What do the good sisters wish to hide?<br />
I love religious women. They are unsung heroes who serve the poor and teach. I think the Church is right to investigate those who seem to be living religious life on the fridge or those who promote teachings that support living life on the fridge. I believe alot of the clergy scandal began in a faulty seminary life and bad theology. Harmful ideas breed harmful actions. I heard such harmful ideas from your two Sister guest. They seemed to equivicate on several of the the interviewers questions. At other times, they begged the question. For example, it seems clear to me that it is not possible or logical to be a nun who is a member of a religious institute and not be a member of the Church. I hope that if you do anymore interviews on this topic, you will show some journalistic integrity and allow for both sides of the issue to be clearly expressed. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;In your broadcast, you consistently used the
&gt;phrase “rein in”...media phrase that demeans the life
&gt;of adult women doing serious work in this country. 
&gt;Religious women not errant children who need to be 
&gt;collared. 
&gt;Anne Lytthgoe

Anne, I hear what you&#039;re saying, but you&#039;re approaching this from a Western/American point of view, as if men and women are in all ways equal.  The Catholic view is anything but:  women and men are NOT equal.  And if nuns are stepping outside the dictates of dogma, they need to be reined in.

What do you EXPECT from a rigid patriarchichal hierarchy?  As was stated elsewhere, Catholicism is not a democracy.

Do I agree with this?  Of course not, I find the church ludicrious, which is why I&#039;m now an atheist (raised Catholic).  But you&#039;re starting from a faulty premise; rememeber that they&#039;re coming from the position that an imaginary sky being told them the Ultimate Truth.  Any deviation from that is, from their point of view, endangering &quot;souls&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;In your broadcast, you consistently used the<br />
&gt;phrase “rein in”&#8230;media phrase that demeans the life<br />
&gt;of adult women doing serious work in this country.<br />
&gt;Religious women not errant children who need to be<br />
&gt;collared.<br />
&gt;Anne Lytthgoe</p>
<p>Anne, I hear what you&#8217;re saying, but you&#8217;re approaching this from a Western/American point of view, as if men and women are in all ways equal.  The Catholic view is anything but:  women and men are NOT equal.  And if nuns are stepping outside the dictates of dogma, they need to be reined in.</p>
<p>What do you EXPECT from a rigid patriarchichal hierarchy?  As was stated elsewhere, Catholicism is not a democracy.</p>
<p>Do I agree with this?  Of course not, I find the church ludicrious, which is why I&#8217;m now an atheist (raised Catholic).  But you&#8217;re starting from a faulty premise; rememeber that they&#8217;re coming from the position that an imaginary sky being told them the Ultimate Truth.  Any deviation from that is, from their point of view, endangering &#8220;souls&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Cardinal Law was not rewarded by the Vatican, but was
&gt;essentially “kicked upstairs” much as troublesome
&gt;members of the House of Commons have often been
&gt;removed to the House of Lords where they can do no 
&gt;more harm.

Chesire11, he should have been kicked into prison, not &quot;upstairs&quot;.  Just stating that it wasn&#039;t a reward doesn&#039;t make it so.  A criminal who belongs in prison got an excellent position a few blocks away from the seat of his organization&#039;s supreme power.  How is that NOT a reward?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Cardinal Law was not rewarded by the Vatican, but was<br />
&gt;essentially “kicked upstairs” much as troublesome<br />
&gt;members of the House of Commons have often been<br />
&gt;removed to the House of Lords where they can do no<br />
&gt;more harm.</p>
<p>Chesire11, he should have been kicked into prison, not &#8220;upstairs&#8221;.  Just stating that it wasn&#8217;t a reward doesn&#8217;t make it so.  A criminal who belongs in prison got an excellent position a few blocks away from the seat of his organization&#8217;s supreme power.  How is that NOT a reward?</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Mary G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Mary G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just heard the interview that was taped. It was entirely unjust that you did not allow the President of the CMSWR, Mother Mary Quentin more time to speak. She would have spoken for alot more religious than Sandra S or the lawyer from Philly. They stated that they were representing themselves. This was unjust and a false attempt to appear fair. It is unfortunate becayse perhaps Mother Mary Quentin would have pointed out the following.
1. Religious communities receive the benefits of being non-profit and the ability to hold property as a legal entity from their affiliation with the Church. They also recieve their legitimacy as &#039;religious&quot; FROM the Church. They has a duty to make sure that this designation is being lived, that is that the constitution of a religious institute is in conformity with the specified ideals of religious life. 
2. It is somewhat disingenious that both of the progressive sisters say that they &quot;had no idea of the Church&#039;s concern&quot;. In 1983, the Holy Father was very converned and published Essential Elements. The LCWR has dialogued and dialogued till the cows come home about their infinite litany of complaints and hurts againt the Church. The Church has remained firm
3. As a religious I welcome this visitation. I think it is a grace for all religious either traditional or progressive and I pray that it will be recieved as such
Sister Mary, Washington D.C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just heard the interview that was taped. It was entirely unjust that you did not allow the President of the CMSWR, Mother Mary Quentin more time to speak. She would have spoken for alot more religious than Sandra S or the lawyer from Philly. They stated that they were representing themselves. This was unjust and a false attempt to appear fair. It is unfortunate becayse perhaps Mother Mary Quentin would have pointed out the following.<br />
1. Religious communities receive the benefits of being non-profit and the ability to hold property as a legal entity from their affiliation with the Church. They also recieve their legitimacy as &#8216;religious&#8221; FROM the Church. They has a duty to make sure that this designation is being lived, that is that the constitution of a religious institute is in conformity with the specified ideals of religious life.<br />
2. It is somewhat disingenious that both of the progressive sisters say that they &#8220;had no idea of the Church&#8217;s concern&#8221;. In 1983, the Holy Father was very converned and published Essential Elements. The LCWR has dialogued and dialogued till the cows come home about their infinite litany of complaints and hurts againt the Church. The Church has remained firm<br />
3. As a religious I welcome this visitation. I think it is a grace for all religious either traditional or progressive and I pray that it will be recieved as such<br />
Sister Mary, Washington D.C.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus did not leave his power and authority to the church.  That belief does not exist in scripture.  Rather, Jesus denounced those who tried to contain and control access to the divine, to God, within the power and authority of religious institutions and leaders.  He gives us a profound example of breaking from stifling structures into the freedom of the Spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus did not leave his power and authority to the church.  That belief does not exist in scripture.  Rather, Jesus denounced those who tried to contain and control access to the divine, to God, within the power and authority of religious institutions and leaders.  He gives us a profound example of breaking from stifling structures into the freedom of the Spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: Benedict</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benedict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These visitations provide a wonderful opportunity for the Vatican to better understand American Women religious. At the same time, it is also a great opportunity for Women religious to understand the Vatican&#039;s concerns.
I frankly don&#039;t see the big deal. Let the Vatican conduct its visitations! This isn&#039;t a witch hunt and I don&#039;t think the Vatican is trying to persecute and keep women religious down. When they come to your convents, I say Sisters, show them the wonderful fruits of your ministries!

Too many people are losing their sense of Charity here.. for Heaven&#039;s sake, just let the Church do its thing! We all need check ups now and then. Wait until the results before we start guessing, generalizing, and criticizing anyone&#039;s intentions.

Love to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These visitations provide a wonderful opportunity for the Vatican to better understand American Women religious. At the same time, it is also a great opportunity for Women religious to understand the Vatican&#8217;s concerns.<br />
I frankly don&#8217;t see the big deal. Let the Vatican conduct its visitations! This isn&#8217;t a witch hunt and I don&#8217;t think the Vatican is trying to persecute and keep women religious down. When they come to your convents, I say Sisters, show them the wonderful fruits of your ministries!</p>
<p>Too many people are losing their sense of Charity here.. for Heaven&#8217;s sake, just let the Church do its thing! We all need check ups now and then. Wait until the results before we start guessing, generalizing, and criticizing anyone&#8217;s intentions.</p>
<p>Love to all.</p>
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		<title>By: James Montfort</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/07/u-s-nuns-and-the-vatican/comment-page-1#comment-21256</link>
		<dc:creator>James Montfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello 2009

Please don&#039;t continue the spread incorrect information that the Catholic Church in 1492 taught that the Earth was flat. That idea came about from a playwright in the late 1800&#039;s that used that idea in a comedic play. The church has always taught as the Jewish tradition that the Earth was round. The pope in 1492 was concerned that the Earth was too large for the ships to actually complete the voyage. In fact he was correct with the exception of that a huge continent was smack in the middle of the ocean. 
The issue that people of hate use to try to disprove the only logical conclusion that the Catholic Church is a divine institution established by Christ, is the old Galileo issue. While in fact the pope told Galileo to only teach his theory as only a theory until further evidence could be developed. Galileo went so far as to use his findings to try to prove that holy scripture has errors. Galileo did not understand that while Christ referred to the four corners of the Earth. That Christ was referring to the four corners of the Holy Alter. Just as the Jewish tradition used the Alter at the temple to represent the Earth. That is why after two thousand years a Catholic Church is still styled after the original Jewish temple. 
I hope this helps dispel old lies that keep on spreading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello 2009</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t continue the spread incorrect information that the Catholic Church in 1492 taught that the Earth was flat. That idea came about from a playwright in the late 1800&#8217;s that used that idea in a comedic play. The church has always taught as the Jewish tradition that the Earth was round. The pope in 1492 was concerned that the Earth was too large for the ships to actually complete the voyage. In fact he was correct with the exception of that a huge continent was smack in the middle of the ocean.<br />
The issue that people of hate use to try to disprove the only logical conclusion that the Catholic Church is a divine institution established by Christ, is the old Galileo issue. While in fact the pope told Galileo to only teach his theory as only a theory until further evidence could be developed. Galileo went so far as to use his findings to try to prove that holy scripture has errors. Galileo did not understand that while Christ referred to the four corners of the Earth. That Christ was referring to the four corners of the Holy Alter. Just as the Jewish tradition used the Alter at the temple to represent the Earth. That is why after two thousand years a Catholic Church is still styled after the original Jewish temple.<br />
I hope this helps dispel old lies that keep on spreading.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Lytthgoe, OP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Lytthgoe, OP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Ashbrook:  In your broadcast, you consistently used the phrase &quot;rein in&quot; when discribing the outcome the Vatican might possibly desire as a result of the apostolic visitation.   This is a media phrase that demeans the life of adult women doing serious work in this country.  Religious women not errant children who need to be collared.  For some reason journalists of all stripes tend to inadvertently revert to very disparaging language around Catholic Sisters. It is reminiscent of the language of the 70s when women who started working outside of the home were referred to as the “little missus” It is a kind of religious sexist language. You don’t talk about supreme court nominees that way. You don’t even talk about politicians that way.  Can you please review how you are characterizing this whole thing and make sure that your own language does not buy into the very stereotypes that women and Catholic Sisters have tried to break out of for the last 800 years? Thanks I appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Ashbrook:  In your broadcast, you consistently used the phrase &#8220;rein in&#8221; when discribing the outcome the Vatican might possibly desire as a result of the apostolic visitation.   This is a media phrase that demeans the life of adult women doing serious work in this country.  Religious women not errant children who need to be collared.  For some reason journalists of all stripes tend to inadvertently revert to very disparaging language around Catholic Sisters. It is reminiscent of the language of the 70s when women who started working outside of the home were referred to as the “little missus” It is a kind of religious sexist language. You don’t talk about supreme court nominees that way. You don’t even talk about politicians that way.  Can you please review how you are characterizing this whole thing and make sure that your own language does not buy into the very stereotypes that women and Catholic Sisters have tried to break out of for the last 800 years? Thanks I appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/07/u-s-nuns-and-the-vatican/comment-page-1#comment-21245</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an 83 year old nun.  Our community has had it&#039;s rule approved by Rome.  It does not require us to wear habits. We are dedicated to work and pray for the Church and all people as well as to minister in ways we are each called to do.  We have prayed 24/7 for 130 years and continue to do so.  May each one of you follow your own call from God with as much commitment as our sisters have done for 160 years.  Peace and All Good - as Francis would say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an 83 year old nun.  Our community has had it&#8217;s rule approved by Rome.  It does not require us to wear habits. We are dedicated to work and pray for the Church and all people as well as to minister in ways we are each called to do.  We have prayed 24/7 for 130 years and continue to do so.  May each one of you follow your own call from God with as much commitment as our sisters have done for 160 years.  Peace and All Good &#8211; as Francis would say!</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Mary Gormley, RSM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Mary Gormley, RSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction of my previously submitted comment. 
The second sentence should read:

       One can&#039;t understand the &quot;worldview&quot; of many
       women religious WITHOUT looking at various
       activist coalitions and organizations which
       began in the 1970s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction of my previously submitted comment.<br />
The second sentence should read:</p>
<p>       One can&#8217;t understand the &#8220;worldview&#8221; of many<br />
       women religious WITHOUT looking at various<br />
       activist coalitions and organizations which<br />
       began in the 1970s.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Mary Gormley, RSM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Mary Gormley, RSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you sow the wind, you will reap the whirlwind.&quot; One can&#039;t understand the &quot;worldview&quot; of many women religious looking at various activist coalitions and organizations which began in the 1970s. Influenced by such groups, we were led to adopt their worldview and to learn strategies to get other sisters on board. Such groups have been dictating to us &quot;what the issues are.&quot; And we let them. Groups like NETWORK have been forming the consciences of our sisters, being &quot;Mother and Teacher&quot; for us, --instead of the Catholic Church. To our peril.   
I&#039;m glad that the Vatican is looking at religious life.
I&#039;m glad that the Vatican is looking at the LCWR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you sow the wind, you will reap the whirlwind.&#8221; One can&#8217;t understand the &#8220;worldview&#8221; of many women religious looking at various activist coalitions and organizations which began in the 1970s. Influenced by such groups, we were led to adopt their worldview and to learn strategies to get other sisters on board. Such groups have been dictating to us &#8220;what the issues are.&#8221; And we let them. Groups like NETWORK have been forming the consciences of our sisters, being &#8220;Mother and Teacher&#8221; for us, &#8211;instead of the Catholic Church. To our peril.<br />
I&#8217;m glad that the Vatican is looking at religious life.<br />
I&#8217;m glad that the Vatican is looking at the LCWR.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/07/u-s-nuns-and-the-vatican/comment-page-1#comment-21165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are questions of how we understand church...yes, sisters/nuns are  &quot;at the service of the Church as are priests&quot; (to quote KvK)  
In whatever their ministry, sisters are doing service of the church--feeding the hungry, visiting the prisoners, clothing the naked.  
Sisters are the face of the church among the poor, the marginalized, the immigrant, the stranger.
Its not about the geographic location of &#039;church&#039; as building or &#039;church&#039; as the Vatican, but an understanding of &#039;church&#039; as much more expansive--it is all of humanity and all of creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are questions of how we understand church&#8230;yes, sisters/nuns are  &#8220;at the service of the Church as are priests&#8221; (to quote KvK)<br />
In whatever their ministry, sisters are doing service of the church&#8211;feeding the hungry, visiting the prisoners, clothing the naked.<br />
Sisters are the face of the church among the poor, the marginalized, the immigrant, the stranger.<br />
Its not about the geographic location of &#8216;church&#8217; as building or &#8216;church&#8217; as the Vatican, but an understanding of &#8216;church&#8217; as much more expansive&#8211;it is all of humanity and all of creation.</p>
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		<title>By: KvK</title>
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		<dc:creator>KvK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been taught by faith filled nuns in school I am very grateful for all they have done.

What some fail to remember is that their consecrated lives which are supposed to be lived through their vows means they are at the service of the Church as are priests . If they aren&#039;t alright with that then they need to reconsider their commitment.

Vatican II asked religious orders to renew not change the fundamentals of religious life and one of those fundamentals is loyalty to Rome and chair of Peter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been taught by faith filled nuns in school I am very grateful for all they have done.</p>
<p>What some fail to remember is that their consecrated lives which are supposed to be lived through their vows means they are at the service of the Church as are priests . If they aren&#8217;t alright with that then they need to reconsider their commitment.</p>
<p>Vatican II asked religious orders to renew not change the fundamentals of religious life and one of those fundamentals is loyalty to Rome and chair of Peter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen Lincourt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen Lincourt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Christ was on the cross, who was with him?  It was the women.  Who took his body down from the cross and prepared it for burial?  It was the women.  To whom, according to the Gospels, did Christ first appear after his resurrection.  It was a woman.  No wonder denominations everywhere want to keep women down, after all, they were and are the most faithful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Christ was on the cross, who was with him?  It was the women.  Who took his body down from the cross and prepared it for burial?  It was the women.  To whom, according to the Gospels, did Christ first appear after his resurrection.  It was a woman.  No wonder denominations everywhere want to keep women down, after all, they were and are the most faithful.</p>
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		<title>By: VT Catholic</title>
		<link>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/07/u-s-nuns-and-the-vatican/comment-page-1#comment-21043</link>
		<dc:creator>VT Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being an American Catholic must be diffrent from a member of the church in other places around the world. It seems to me that to live a life of selfless acts and ambitious spiritual understanding, is the core of Christs&#039; teachings. To talk out against the Roman Catholic Church is a responsibility we as christians have to do. Christ spoke out against the powerful leaders of his faith, now we must do the same. I will not sit quietly whily workers, nuns, are being examined for mal behavior. 

The Church is only as strong as its people. 

There would be no Catholic Church without women. No doubt about it. Women do not have the same rights as men in the R.Church. As lay people or of the order. Christ loved women. The Bible reads that women always sat in a position of power and rank when he spoke, while in the home or out in &#039;the field&#039;. 

True the R. Catholic Church is a club. And true one does not have to belong. But if a person is a member, then that person has every right to speak out against what is happening. The lack of respect that women have in the Roman Catholic Church is wrong. It is wrong to prevent women from a role equal to the one men have. 

God chose a woman to foster him on Earth. End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being an American Catholic must be diffrent from a member of the church in other places around the world. It seems to me that to live a life of selfless acts and ambitious spiritual understanding, is the core of Christs&#8217; teachings. To talk out against the Roman Catholic Church is a responsibility we as christians have to do. Christ spoke out against the powerful leaders of his faith, now we must do the same. I will not sit quietly whily workers, nuns, are being examined for mal behavior. </p>
<p>The Church is only as strong as its people. </p>
<p>There would be no Catholic Church without women. No doubt about it. Women do not have the same rights as men in the R.Church. As lay people or of the order. Christ loved women. The Bible reads that women always sat in a position of power and rank when he spoke, while in the home or out in &#8216;the field&#8217;. </p>
<p>True the R. Catholic Church is a club. And true one does not have to belong. But if a person is a member, then that person has every right to speak out against what is happening. The lack of respect that women have in the Roman Catholic Church is wrong. It is wrong to prevent women from a role equal to the one men have. </p>
<p>God chose a woman to foster him on Earth. End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna H. spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna H. spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Faith seeking understanding&#039; the definition of Theology - seems to be what our women religious in the USA are about today in 2009.
They are living &#039;New Forms&#039; of religious life and I  agree with their choice of forms as they relate to the mandates of Vatician II.

I am an Associate of the IHM {Sister Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary&quot; Monroe, MI}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Faith seeking understanding&#8217; the definition of Theology &#8211; seems to be what our women religious in the USA are about today in 2009.<br />
They are living &#8216;New Forms&#8217; of religious life and I  agree with their choice of forms as they relate to the mandates of Vatician II.</p>
<p>I am an Associate of the IHM {Sister Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary&#8221; Monroe, MI}</p>
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		<title>By: Joe B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Joe Guyon; Nobody cares what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Joe Guyon; Nobody cares what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Judi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Vatican&#039;s decision to walk this slippery slope, proves once again that they have decided to be the judge, jury and executor of the Godly efforts and services the nuns provide. Who cares what they wear? Who cares whether they live in a community where they have to posture themselves just to get access to the one vehicle that is available for six of them. 

I&#039;m still laughing at the fact that priest take only TWO vows, Chastity and Obedience, and most fail miserably at both. Nuns must take THREE vows, Poverty, Chastity and Obedience. Catholic schools have all but disappeared due to declining enrollments. Is this because the nuns have been working tirelessly out in the community, without wearing a habit, ministering to the sick, poor, and outcast of society, or is it because they no longer trust that the priest won&#039;t objectify their children and once caught, be relocated to do it again. 

Nuns work with no financial gain, and little or no recognition. They spend their time, effort, and love of God serving the Beatitudes, while the priest are on sojourns to who knows where, (since they feel they are  unaccountable to anyone, man or woman), it is the nun, dressed in her bland secular clothing, administering the host to the sick and dying. I have never met a nun, and my sister has been one for almost 40 years, that is not accutely aware of her vOcation. And to nuns, it is just that, a vOcation, a calling from God. Somehow priest bought the wrong vow from Vanna. They bought an &quot;A&quot; when they should have bought an &quot;O&quot;. The call from God to do his service is not a vAcation, get it right Vatican. Maybe we should spend the next century with priest and nuns switching rolls. I&#039;d love to see how much more would get accomplished, WITHOUT breaking Canon Law, or their vows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Vatican&#8217;s decision to walk this slippery slope, proves once again that they have decided to be the judge, jury and executor of the Godly efforts and services the nuns provide. Who cares what they wear? Who cares whether they live in a community where they have to posture themselves just to get access to the one vehicle that is available for six of them. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still laughing at the fact that priest take only TWO vows, Chastity and Obedience, and most fail miserably at both. Nuns must take THREE vows, Poverty, Chastity and Obedience. Catholic schools have all but disappeared due to declining enrollments. Is this because the nuns have been working tirelessly out in the community, without wearing a habit, ministering to the sick, poor, and outcast of society, or is it because they no longer trust that the priest won&#8217;t objectify their children and once caught, be relocated to do it again. </p>
<p>Nuns work with no financial gain, and little or no recognition. They spend their time, effort, and love of God serving the Beatitudes, while the priest are on sojourns to who knows where, (since they feel they are  unaccountable to anyone, man or woman), it is the nun, dressed in her bland secular clothing, administering the host to the sick and dying. I have never met a nun, and my sister has been one for almost 40 years, that is not accutely aware of her vOcation. And to nuns, it is just that, a vOcation, a calling from God. Somehow priest bought the wrong vow from Vanna. They bought an &#8220;A&#8221; when they should have bought an &#8220;O&#8221;. The call from God to do his service is not a vAcation, get it right Vatican. Maybe we should spend the next century with priest and nuns switching rolls. I&#8217;d love to see how much more would get accomplished, WITHOUT breaking Canon Law, or their vows.</p>
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