I loan someone my terrific car, and after a while they give it back as a ruined lemon.

Now I have to keep dumping money into it, but it’s still a lemon no matter how much I spend.

Joe’s logic:

It is my fault it’s a lemon, because the person I loaned it to gave it back. They have no blame for having ruined my terrific in the first place.

Here’s my logic:

BUSH WILL ALWAYS BE THE ONE WHO DESERVES THE MOST BLAME FOR THE RUINED ECONOMY!

He inherited a teriffic economy and federal budget, and ruined it through mismanagement, a war of choice, tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, and the inability to see a trainwreck headed right at us and change its tracks (with plenty of forewarning had he heeded the right voices).

Remember this:

Bush had already commited hundreds of billions to a course of corporate welfare. If Obama had said simply “no more corporate welfare” when he took office, all the hundreds of billions spent by Bush and pals would have been utterly wasted. Obama’s hand was forced into continuing the bailout policies of Bush, because the alternative would have been to tell taxpayers that the previous administrations spending spree program was just going to be scrapped, and nothing would ever come of it.

I hate this corporate welfare as much as anyone, but it is certainly not Obama’s fault.

BUSH WILL INDEED OWN THIS MESS FOREVER, NO MATTER HOW THE “CONSERVATIVE JOES” EVER TRY TO SPIN IT!!!!

This our democracy at work this man Senator Max Baucus is against the citizens he accuses doctors and nurses of being rude for interrupting his committee, well in the spirit of liberty and the founding fathers he is wrong.

All these people were arrested fro speaking out.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/13/baucus_raucus_caucus_doctors_nurses_and

This is an outrage, this man is BS’ing the nation.

This time she has some problems with her knees. Now it’s a well established fact that most of us have two of them.
Well some bright schmuck working for Blue Cross decided that they will only pay for one leg as it relates to any physical therapy session related to the lower limbs.

What? Are they kidding? Are they serious? Not only that her doctor wrote a prescription for 12 sessions. HMO blue said they would only pay for 8. OK here’s how the insurance company has gamed it against us. First they will only pay for one leg, then they will only pay for what they deem is a necessary number of treatments without ever seeing the patent or even talking to the doctor.

I keep hearing from the politicians from both parties how a national health care system will only lead to rationing of health care. Sorry to let these idiots in for reality check, but the above real life story shows we already have rationing. The Health insurance companies are at war with us, the citizens of America.
They play this game with our lives and they know deliberately deny treatment for profit. What other reason for only covering one knee?

It’s real rich when I hear Montana Senator Max Baucus, the chair of the Senate Finance Committee say that a single payer system is off the table when he and his family have a gold standard of national health care paid for by our tax dollars. This man is on the take and receives huge campaign contributions from the insurance companies. Give me a break, Baucus as far as I’m concerned your part of the problem and should be removed from office.

People are going bankrupt and losing their houses due to medical bills. Why? Why is that a country as wealthy as ours can’t get this right? Why?

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I would say almost all politicians are dirty in some way or another. The only politicians that impresses me is Senators Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy which makes me wonder why don’t live in Vermont.

I guess, it is enough for a governor to just hand it back. Still strikes me as very odd. Even with a valid credit card you at least pay interest.

So why is swindling $3,300–until caught–not punishable? Just repaying money doesn’t get criminals off the hook, in the real world, anyhow…

However Obama is not a progressive. He hired the foxes to deal with the hen house that is our economic mess.

Yes, Obama inherited a mess from Bush, but he has not moved with enough force and while I think what he has done was better than nothing, he let both houses dictate the stimulus package which was huge mistake.

I think the mess is Washington, these guys have great health care payed for by you and me. It’s real rich for senators to sit around and say that a national health care system is not good enough for us when they have one. I’m not impressed, I’m pissed off, I’m sick and tired of these bloviating wind bags from both sides of the isle.

I loan someone my terrific car, and after a while they give it back as a ruined lemon.

Now I have to keep dumping money into it, but it’s still a lemon no matter how much I spend.

Joe’s logic:

It is my fault it’s a lemon, because the person I loaned it to gave it back. They have no blame for having ruined my terrific in the first place.

Here’s my logic:

BUSH WILL ALWAYS BE THE ONE WHO DESERVES THE MOST BLAME FOR THE RUINED ECONOMY!

He inherited a teriffic economy and federal budget, and ruined it through mismanagement, a war of choice, tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, and the inability to see a trainwreck headed right at us and change its tracks (with plenty of forewarning had he heeded the right voices).

Remember this:

Bush had already commited hundreds of billions to a course of corporate welfare. If Obama had said simply “no more corporate welfare” when he took office, all the hundreds of billions spent by Bush and pals would have been utterly wasted. Obama’s hand was forced into continuing the bailout policies of Bush, because the alternative would have been to tell taxpayers that the previous administrations spending spree program was just going to be scrapped, and nothing would ever come of it.

I hate this corporate welfare as much as anyone, but it is certainly not Obama’s fault.

BUSH WILL INDEED OWN THIS MESS FOREVER, NO MATTER HOW THE “CONSERVATIVE JOES” EVER TRY TO SPIN IT!!!!

It seems that the banks do run the show.

It’s the economy, if this is not fixed we are doomed to a deflationary decade or more.

I would also like to put equal blame on the democrat’s in both houses of congress. The republicans are to much of a joke to even take seriously.

Obama, change, well I’m beginning to think the change we the people will be getting is spare change.

Obama is turning into a huge disappointment, huge to progressives.

Instead he gave the banks billions and billions of our tax dollars and is letting the states sink. If there was ever anything that the federal government should be doing now it is backing up the states. Laying off teachers, fireman and police is the worse thing.

Obama is now sounding like a middle of the road president. He is failing as far is I’m concerned.
To say the stimulus is working is a joke. Unemployment, if you count all the people out of work, plus the ones whom have stopped working and the ones that have given up it’s more like 18% or 20%.