The Hubble pictures were amazing I’m glad i was able to see such wonders.

Can’t wait to see what will come about in 10, 20, years.

President Obama is back on track and things are finally going to move steadily in the direction Americans wanted when they voted Obama into office!

Obama’s poll numbers have risen swiftly due to his speech, as most of liberal America’s dissatisfaction with Obama’s handling of health care reform has been appeased. He reasserted support for some kind of public option and faced down far-right Republican stupidity!

GO GO GO Obama!!!!!!

Michael,
They truly are spectacular images. Hubble remains one of the most splendid accomplishments of modern engineering, and has been worth every penny!

here’s some pic’s if anyone has not seen them and would like to

http://www.hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/25/image/a/

Richard Gage is coming go Logan Airport on October 9 for two scheduled appearances about the mysterious collapse of high-rise steel structures.

May WBUR schedule a program with him. Please.
We are in this all together.

City/State: Portsmouth, NH
Date: Fri, Oct 9, 2009
Time: 7:30 PM
Topic: 9/11: Blueprint for Truth – The Architecture of Destruction
Speaker: Richard Gage
Venue: South Church, Unitarian Universalist

City/State: Northampton, MA
Date: Sat, Oct 10, 2009
Time: 7:00 PM
Topic: 9/11: Blueprint for Truth – The Architecture of Destruction
Speaker: Richard Gage, AIA
Venue: First Churches of Northampton
Location: 129 Main St. Northampton, MA 01060

I clicked “Felipe” on his post and got to “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth” site, with good links, and a very long list of former and upcoming engagements. In past ones, you can see, 128 came in thinking controlled explosion caused the fall, 173 came out thinking controlled explosion caused. Those coming in thinking fire caused it, maybe 41, left with only 2 still thinking fire caused it. That sort of percent repeats. Googling Gage, he is San Francisco based, and decided five years after 9/11, after hearing a broadcast of Ray Griffin, to pursue alternative explanations. Link to Wikipedia, I got this, in part:
“David Ray Griffin (born 1939) is a retired professor
of philosophy of religion and theology. Along with John B. Cobb, Jr., he founded the Center for Process Studies in 1973, a research center of Claremont School of Theology which seeks to promote the common good by means of the relational approach found in process thought.[1]

More recently, Griffin has published a number of books on the subject of the September 11 attacks, suggesting that there was a conspiracy involving some elements of the United States government.[2]”

Gage has been showing his video (2 hours I think it said) and speaking all over the world, a sort of counter-jihad, and also an effort not, not, not helpful to the reputation of the USA (unless he is right). Check it out.

Airline Flight attendant was from Boston: Sara Low

Average citizen has absolutely no clue about the secrecy that has been placed on the information about the events of 9/11.
Obama have promised us “transparency”. Why would a poor guy had to go to the Court with his own means to get information.
Is this KGB’s Russia or Obama’s America?

Can we help Michael Low? Isn’t it our duty to help him.
Let’s listen to Richard Gage on Onpoint when he comes to Boston in October…just 1 hour.
Is this really too much to ask from a “Public” Radio Station?

++++++++++++++++++++
Determined Father Pursues Sept. 11 Lawsuit
While Most Families Have Renounced Legal Claims, Mike Low Wants Case to Be Finished in Court

Mike Low wishes his trial was already over. Alone among nearly 3,000 families that lost loved ones in the September 11th terrorist attacks, Low, from Batesville, Arkansas, has a trial date set for his wrongful death lawsuit against airlines and airport security companies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/05/eveningnews/main5290580.shtml

Thank you Ellen for taking a second look.

I am a structural civil engineer. Worked in design of high-rise hotel buildings all over the world.

Never ever questioned the collapse of the buildings for almost seven years, until one day in 2008, it clicked.

We design buildings with steel and with reinforced joints (especially high-rise ones), so that they will never collapse with hurricanes. They are like bird cages being hit by a heavy object. They may bend, buckle, twist and perhaps fall to their side with extreme earthquakes if and only if the foundation is displaced. Steel framed buildings (office, urban) have never ever collapsed since the day they were being built. Nothing can make them shatter as if they were around glass structure. Regular fires CANNOT collapse steel buildings.

Thank you for considering a dark second possibility, especially WTC7 – which is very easy to prove what has really happened.

But who? Why? Did the Republicans want the US to go on a witchhunt (and give the defense industry an exercise for its dollars?) and hire some terrorists to provide the red herring?
Expletives deleted.
PBS documentaries went great lengths, interviewing the architect of WTC, showing that after a certain amount of heat, a certain joint would give out, and the pattern of collapse matched what they predicted.

With all due respect Felipe the very idea of this if you unpack it is pretty amazing. First the federal government would have be involved with the owners of the WTC buildings. What your saying is that all these people conspired to do this and not one person ever leaked this to anyone. Then there is the aspect of planting the amount of explosives needed to bring down all these buildings.

Who did it? When did they do it? Weeks before, months or years. How does is an operation on this scale done in buildings of this size with so many people moving around them day and night. How?

This fact that you had to have had the collusion of all these players to pull this off makes this idea seem so absurd.

Why do people keep talking about “triggers” as if they are a viable alternative? Remember that trigger that was included in bush’s prescription drug plan? Well it’s never been pulled.

RE: SUPREME COUR AND HILLARY MOVIE:
What happened to “strict constructionism”. If the framers had meant “speech or money”, why didn’t they say as much? If they had meant “people or legal entities”, wouldn’t they have written it that way? Talk about “activist judges” (the case is appealed on one thing and they tell the lawyers to argue something else). What hypocrats! Do they really believe what they calim to believe.

I have HMO Blue insurance for which I am a direct payor because I’m self employed. I just received my renewal notice. To stay with the same plan, my premium will go up 33%, or almost $1500 per month for myself and 2 dependents. Every renewal year I now downgrade my plan, but still have an increase in premiums. I am less concerned about losing my insurance than having no money to pay for anything else.

Caller Mark is right on the money with his comment about “You lie” and the refusal of some parents and schools to allow his speech to be heard.

This is veiled racism. The socialist complaint is a red herring, these folks are racist wing nuts and Obama is bringing them out of the woodwork.

As Barney Frank said: speaking (or reasoning) with them is like speaking to a dining room table.

Jack

Thank you for a sane, well reasoned answer to the question about race. It is a factor and it needs to be discussed. Your framing was spot on, factual and absent of the typical knee-jerk reactions one always hears whenever this topic is mentioned.

It would be good to hear a whole show on this.

Cheers

Putney – I don’t believe the U.S. government concocted 9/11. However, what do you think about the idea that once it was underway, they actually let it unfold. Why am I saying it? Where were the fighter jets? Was a single military jet in a position to shoot a hijacked airplane down? I mean, in 1983, Soviets immediately intercepted that Korean plane somewhere over Kamchatka. What happened on 9/11? One explanation is the American air defense was just not ready. Another would be, someone quickly realized that it was a chance to solidify power and start a war. History will be the judge of that, but it is not the first time it has happened in the history of the World.

The caller is right, how come this has happened, and passed without official censure, that a representative shout to a sitting president of the United States of America, no less – “you lie”.

This is the extreme insult, and I would line it up right along the insult of the shoe being thrown at Pres. Bush.

Why are we not talking about nuking the filibuster rules? They can filibuster by just saying they will–let’s go back to the talk-for-a-week, pee-into-a-pot days and see how long they filibuster. 50 votes should govern.

Some schools did not show the president’s speech to the kids because it was a webcast and some school networks could not support the bandwidth. Unlike television broadcasts of Reagan and Bush. So, to call it de facto racism isn’t necessarily so.

I have read somewhere that the same school that did not show Obama’s speech is actually going to bus the kids to hear Bush speak later this month.

I liied Jack Beatty’s “balanced” take on possible racism underlying opposition to Obama. I find it harder to be loyal opposition, egging him on to (back to) what I believe are his bedrock principles because I don’t want to be in the pool with those picking excuses to air what they feel is legitimized bullying. To me, that word (bullying) encapsulates some of racism, that feeling of legitimacy, without needing to justify irrationality.

Not liied, I “liked” what Beatty said.

My Comment was on topic and civil (You lieted Supreme Cur as a tag. It was in the news this week.)

Why did you remove it?

SUPREME COURT AND HILLARY MOVIE:

What happened to “strict constructionism”. If the framers had meant “speech or money”, why didn’t they say as much? If they had meant “people or legal entities”, wouldn’t they have written it that way?

Talk about “activist judges” (the case is appealed on one thing and they tell the lawyers to argue something else). What hypocrats!

Do they really believe what they claim to believe. Somone should ask them this.

I’m not sure what the comment was supposed to mean about how the president speaking to school children is a trivial event, but that Obama should speak to minority children in low-income area to inspire them. That was either poorly stated, or the MOST racist thing I’ve heard in this whole ridiculous debate.

Black school children (in ALL income brackets) are inspired everyday–just waking up knowing that there is a black man in the Whitehouse. I believe that the children who would benefit the most from an Obama address are precisely the children whose parents are afraid to allow them to experience the world and think for themselves.

I don’t have children, but if I did, I would have kept them home when Bush addressed schools–the man is a certifiable moron. Most school-aged children are already more intelligent than he is.

Obama is an educated, articulate, gracious citizen of the world. I would have him address children in school everyday, if it were possible.

On the Supreme Court “Hillary” case – I listened to oral arguments. I believe the distinction is corporate contributions vs. corporate spending. Political contributions are restricted because there is a compelling reason to do so. On the other hand, to restrict corporate spending (e.g. publish a book, make a movie, put out Pentagon Papers, etc), would go too far in abridging freedom of speech because it would be much harder to demonstrate a compelling reason. And what about small mom-and-pop corporations? Millions of small businesses are incorporated. At the same time they do not have the power to amass great amounts of wealth. Now, I do not necessarily agree with this analysis, but it was what the justices were asking.

Thanks for playing that revealing clip from John Roberts.
The man is a fascist.

You know what Mussolini lovingly called his government? “The corporate state.”

Sound familiar?

Perhaps I’m being too literal, but it would seem to me that “free” speech would, in fact, be free. Buying air time on any form of public broadcast is not truly free speech, because it is not available freely to all citizens. Shouldn’t such a forum be treated differently by law?

Jack Beatty is right on the mark about the issue before the Supreme Court on the “Hillary” case. What has rightfully been implied here and by Meg lennon is that speech does not equal money. Speech is not a commodity to be bought and sold on the market. It is a sacred trust among all citizens of a democracy insured by the First Amendment. More money should not entitle one to more speech.

Alex I think you answered your own question.
Air force and Air National guard planes were in the air.
They just could not get to jets in time. You have to remember these planes seemed to be on there flight courses.

What I see here is the complete break down of our security systems, a inept FBI and CIA who did not communicate, and a host of other problems leading up to the 9/11 tragedy.

“Speech is not a commodity to be bought and sold on the market.”

Unfortunately, speech often costs money. Let’s say I am a private citizen of modest means (which I am). I’d like to publish an open letter on the front page of NYT and use my savings for it. However, the Government says no. “Your money is not your speech. You can go shout from a roof top if you like, but spending money may be restricted.” I don’t believe it is that easy.

Puttney: This fact that you had to have had the collusion of all these players to pull this off makes this idea seem so absurd.

Not a Fact.

Fact: Every bit of the WTC that was removed from the site was DESTROYED immediately. Since when do we destroy forensic evidence until all investigations, trials, have been completed? NEVER!

Regardless of whether or not 9/11 was a government conspiracy in its execution, Cheney and his neo-con cabal certainly milked it for all it was worth.

Now we have to continue on with lost freedoms, paranoia, xenophobia, a cruddier reputation in the world, two wars, massive war debt and expenditure, a very secretive and all too powerful executive branch, etc., etc…

Thanks for being a pointless puppet of the far-right pea-brained insanos, Bush!

As a lifelong New Yorker, I would ask the ”9/11 conspiracy theorists” to show just a little decency and abstain from promoting these absurd theories on the anniversary of this horrific day. Putney, I disagree with referring to 9/11 simply as a “tragedy”. Rather, it was a terrorist attack (or act of war) perpetuated by Al Qaeda that was also made possible by a state sponsor of terrorism (Taliban government in Afghanistan, who allowed Al Qaeda to operate freely.
Alex, to your question the US government did not have a stated policy prior to 9/11/01 that would have allowed our military, to shoot down a US civilian airliner over American soil. The initial disorganization and slow response was largely caused because prior to 9/11/01 it was unimaginable to most Americans (including most in the US government) that terrorists would use our own planes as a weapon against us to perpetuate an act of war on American soil.

On a different note, if anyone wants to read an interesting account of the CIA/intelligence failures leading up to 9/11, I highly recommend the following book by Steve Coll: (as well as Robert Baer’s book)
Steve Coll “Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001”

Rob, what I meant by tragedy was how our government did not act accordingly with the evidence it had in the months and years leading up to 9/11. The tragedy how an FBI agent in the field was dismissed when they presented evidence about some of the terrorist taking flying lessons.
The tragedy is how the CIA and the FBI did not share intelligence. This is what I meant by tragedy, the terrorist will always be there, they will always be trying to hurt or destroy what they hate. Terrorism is better fought as a police action and intelligence gathering.

Getting through to the 9/11 conspiracy theorists is impossible. It’s a many-headed Hydra. No matter what the credentials of the individuals debunking the theory, they will trot out yet another end-run or counter-theory to keep the engine running. The idea that an administration with a demonstrable Midas Touch in reverse, i.e. screwing up everything it ever touched, could have pulled off such as monstrous conspiracy and succeeded is patently crazy. Or was it that the Bush Adminstration wallowed in such utter stupidity and short-sightedness in every other sphere so as to divert suspicion from its 9/11 masterstroke? “YES, THAT’S IT! IF WE CONVINCE THEM THAT WE’RE AS BREATHTAKINGLY STUPID AS WE LOOK, WE’LL GET AWAY WITH IT! THEN, WE CAN REMAKE THE MIDDLE EAST TO LOOK LIKE A PEACEFUL AMERICAN SUBURB AND HAVE CHILI COOK-OFFS IN RIYADH!”

I believe it was a PBS Frontline, Nova or Discovery Channel documentary that studied the construction of the WTC. It supposedly used a spray-on fire/heat retardant insulation applied to the load-bearing steel, which would have worked fine if a fire started in an electrical closet or a waste basket. However, when the source of the fire was a multi-ton aircraft with thousands of pounds of highly flammable jet fuel crashing at speed into the structure, the impact immediately fractured and stripped off much of the insulation on impact. After that, all the burning fuel needed to do was to create temperatures at which the steel supports became soft enough to no longer support the weight above. I recall one of the engineers saying that it was the equivalent of dropping a 40-story skyscraper on top of a 60-story skyscraper, with the inevitable result.

As to WTC 7, um, do buildings ever fall down hours or days after the advent of a major earthquake? Didn’t the Tower collapses measure a sizeable jolt on the Richter Scale at institutions some distance away?

So, bottom line, what are the conspiracy theorists saying? That the Bushies wanted a war in the Middle East and this was the easiest way to trigger it? Last I looked, Bush is out and his successor lost the election. Yeah, we’re still stuck in Bush’s mess, but sooner or later we’re getting out, whether the religion-crazed maniacs of the region can learn to live together or not. It should be relatively easy to stand off some distance and blow the crap out of any attempted reconstitution of Al Queda training camps.

Or are the conpiracists saying that a secret government is really running things and that whoever sits in the Oval Office is an irrelevant figurehead? Cool! I love The X Files and the second movie was crap.

Mark S. – we have the whole political movement in this country built around distrusting the Government. Conspiracy theories may well be crazy, but it is not surprising that some people start the analysis from the premise that the Government is not to be trusted.

RE: Posted by Alex, at 11:10 am

They are not arguing over the individuals right to spend money in furtherance of free speech. That is a right guaranteed to all living citizens. They are arguing whether that right applies to corporations.

I was one of those people who said…..
The 9/11 people will never go away. They protest everything. They are all bunch of social rebels.

Unnnnnnnnnnnnnnntil, I spent 10 min with a clear mind looking at the “evidence”. Wow. There is no going back. Nobody can take it away from me, personally and/or from Van Jones.

We expect to see some recognition from the “Public” Radio. If anybody does not like it when Richard Gage is on…. I recommend Classical Music on WGBH between 10:00-11:00 in the morning. Cost: $0.00

“We design buildings with steel and with reinforced joints (especially high-rise ones), so that they will never collapse with hurricanes. They are like bird cages being hit by a heavy object. They may bend, buckle, twist and perhaps fall to their side with extreme earthquakes if and only if the foundation is displaced. Steel framed buildings (office, urban) have never ever collapsed since the day they were being built. Nothing can make them shatter as if they were around glass structure. Regular fires CANNOT collapse steel buildings.”

Right, but an airliner filled with aviation fuel and crashing into a building is not a “regular fire” and neither is it a regular earthquake. And the temperature doesn’t have to reach the melting point of steel – just high enough to make steel softer. When increased temperature is applied to steel, it starts to soften till it melts when the temperature reaches melting point. It doesn’t stay hard all the way till 1 degree below its melting point, and then all of a sudden, melts when the temperature increases by 1 degree to equal the melting point.

Never ascribe to conspiracy what can be explained by incompetency.

Continue above:
The questions is, can we restrict their spending, or is that a violation of the first amendment.

When I look at the evidence, I am inclined to believe that someone more that Al Quaeda was involved, until I conside one thing that I just cannot get past …

That morning, they left Bush sitting there, reading to children, for 7 minutes AFTER he was told there had been an accident.

This about how skilled/focused that administration was at stage-craft and positioning. Wouldn’t they have prepared him (even if only serupticiously) and an event?

Truely, this is the only thing that keeps me from flying down the road of treason and conspiracy. I cannot believe they would have missed this opportunity.

“They are not arguing over the individuals right to spend money in furtherance of free speech. That is a right guaranteed to all living citizens. They are arguing whether that right applies to corporations.”

I believe it was Scalia who asked: what about a small hairdresser or a car dealership who happens to do business in a corporate form? Can this corporation spend money on political speech?

I have never understood why corporations have been elevated to the status of god where they enjoy wide powers and any criticism of corporations brings out the “free marketers” in defense. When servants become our masters, or when tools are elevated to a status of reverence, that spells trouble for a society.
Corporations, like fire, are good servants, but bad masters.
(Please feel free to replace “servants” and “masters” with your favorite, appropriate PC term, in case those terms go against your world-view or hurt your sensibilities.)

What is a corporation? Is it an association of people or merely a pool of money? If people wish to associate with one another, pool their resources and put out a movie insulting Hillary Clinton or George Bush during an election campaign or otherwise, then that’s their right. Let’s say I am the judge asking you this question. What do you say?

here you go alex

“I have read somewhere that the same school that did not show Obama’s speech is actually going to bus the kids to hear Bush speak later this month.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/9/154621/1641

millard-fillmore

Please read carefully. Forget about WTC 1 and WTC 2
Why: Emotions, flying objects, horror and terror.

FORGET ABOUT THE TWIN TOWERS.

Our problem is WTC 7. It was high enough to be the tallest building in about 35 states. Right in the middle of downtown Manhattan.

OnPoint should concentrate on WTC 7….no feelings, no casualties….just regular office fire(s), no water in sprinkle system. That’s it.

Please spend some time by yourself: 10-15 minutes here:
http://www.AE911Truth.org
Even melting point of steel is not an issue here. WE passed those dead-end arguments with people who will never changed their minds due to personal agenda, or lack-thereof.

And don’t forget… we are not part of any ideology and/or affiliation. We are just people who design and engineer buildings so that they will not fall apart when you are actually in it. And we are not dillusional, either.

“The Arlington Independent School District in Texas decided not to show President Obama’s address to students live yesterday because it reportedly didn’t want to interrupt its regularly scheduled lesson plans. However, the district has now decided to bus its students off-campus on Sept. 21 to hear President Bush speak:

District officials said it’s part of a Cowboys Stadium field trip that the North Texas Super Bowl Host Committee invited 28 fifth-grade classes to attend several months ago.

In addition to hearing from Bush and former first lady Laura Bush, the students will hear from legendary Dallas Cowboys players and North Texas business and community leaders. The event launches the Super Bowl committee’s largest-ever youth education program.

Dwight McKissic, the pastor at the Cornerstone Baptist Church, which offered an alternative venue for Arlington families wishing to listen to the President yesterday, criticized the school district’s “blatant double standard.” “Why is it appropriate for students to hear from former President Bush on Sept. 21 at the Cowboy[s] Stadium, but inappropriate for the current president to address students while they remain on school campuses?” McKissic asked. (HT: Raw Story)”

To: Posted by Alex at 1:11 pm EDT

I would say you need to lookup the definition of corporation. It is a legal entity charachterized neither by people nor money.

No one is questioning the rights of people to associate and pool their resources.

The questions are: Should corporations be afforded the same rights as people? Can spending be limited, or is it protected as, and equal to, speech?

“I would say you need to lookup the definition of corporation. It is a legal entity charachterized neither by people nor money.”

Well, that’s one way to look at it. What about stockholders? They put their money and/or labor together in order to achieve certain goals. It is far too simplistic to say that corporations are not people. The Supreme Court will be looking for more than that.

“No one is questioning the rights of people to associate and pool their resources.”

What’s the basis then for restricting rights of people to use their pooled resources for political speech? Because they use a corporate form for it? I feel we are starting to go in circles.

Don’t you think if there had been a conspiracy to destroy the WTC by the inept Bush administration, the two towers would still be standing?

millard-fillmore

Please read carefully. Forget about WTC 1 and WTC 2
Why: Emotions, flying objects, horror and terror.

FORGET ABOUT THE TWIN TOWERS.

Our problem is WTC 7. It was high enough to be the tallest building in about 35 states. Right in the middle of downtown Manhattan.

OnPoint should concentrate on WTC 7….no feelings, no casualties….just regular office fire(s), no water in sprinkle system. That’s it.

Please spend some time by yourself: 10-15 minutes here:
http://www.AE911Truth.org

And don’t forget… we are not part of any ideology and/or affiliation. Nobody is getting paid for anything.

We are just professional people who design and engineer buildings so that they will not fall apart when you are actually in it. And we are not dillusional, either.

I don’t know if it’s available at Gazettenet.com but the Daily Hampshire Gazette ran a long article on the editorial page about exactly Felipe’s contentions, by Joanne Lind (sociologist, living in Amherst, MA), “On somber anniversary, some question the official 9/11 story.” I can see why engineers would get ulcers looking at what happened in NYC, by the way.
The article lays out the engineering questions in points one through 6, citing for instance “Even a 600,000 pound piece of steel was flung horizontallyl 400 feet, wedging itself deep into the World Financial Center on Bessy Street.” …. “In short, NIST’s (National Institute for Standards and Technology) theory of gravity-driven collapse fails to account for the powerful horizontal movement of material, which strongly suggests the presence of explosives. The official story of what happened on 9/11 is not consistent with all the evidence.”
She cites the necessity for sulfur added to thermite (thermate) to cause what happened (“In professional demolition of tall buildings sulfur is added to an extremely powerful explosive, thermite, to produce thermate — which greatly lowers the temperature at which steel melts. Demolition experts describe tehrmate as ’slicing through steel like a hot knife through buter.’ Direct evidence of the use of thermite or thermate explosives was found in 2007 by physics professor Steven Jones, who used an electron microscope ‘to study’ dust from Ground Zero.”
On and on. My nonscientific take on that? What I have under my sink would probably cause an emplosion. In the WTC, somebody evidently had a cache.
Oh, on corporate “voice”? I say one conscience, one vote, and in a media world, exposure is a big factor. My own footprint in corporations had better not be taken for granted. No corporation I hold stock in or support by buying goods, or buying goods from any business invested in by banks I own stock in — none of those had better be doing swift-boating on candidates that are not of my choice.
How does that happen? Maybe I should move to Tibet.

Gee, a president called a liar and vehemently criticized for making a speech to school children. It must be racism. Except for the fact I’m talking about George H. Bush.

Get over your pathetic selfhate or self-victimization. People don’t like his policies and don’t trust his honesty. Why should they? They don’t know him and he’s shown a willingness to distort the truth.

I want corporations that I own stock in to act in their best self-interest. They should do whatever is legal to ensure their own prosperity and longevity. Take your guilt elsewhere.

Take my guilt elsewhere? Or take my Geld (money) elsewhere. Corporations are swinging votes with their extra loud “voice” — and I’d have to be a full-time ethicist/financial advisor to pick out what corporations are spinning the world this way or that.
Consider South Africa and apartheid. There is no better way to swing facts on the ground than to pull the money out from under some corporation; vote with your dollars from brand X to brand Y.
Except we don’t know what our purchases are exactly going towards. It’s like trying to pull the salt out of the stew to say This connects to That.
Corporations should try to thrive. And they should not take it for granted that they speak for me, as a shareholder, when they support this cause or that, for reasons moral or political.

Both.
There were public lists available of companies doing business in SA during apartheid.
They speak for themselves. If everytime they spent a dollar they’d have to have a shareholder vote, some efficiencies of the structure would be lost. They don’t support causes for moral or political purposes. It’s all about prosperity and longevity.

Thank you Ellen for finding somewhat local news.

On WTC7, if you look at how and why NIST refused to do a darn chemical test for residue (the law requires that!) during the last eight years, the story gets even stranger. Even FEMA published a report that WTC7 columns did contain sulfur oxide which can only be found when cutter-charges/thermite were invloved.

They came up with theories, and then they backed out. The assumed the collapse time (vs. looking at the darn video footage). When their theories turned out to be not provable, they left out entire claims and paragraph and they said.. this is how it is, take it or leave it; case closed.

The explanation as to why explosives could not have been used is even funnier. They came up with this “single blast” phrase and they said due to noise, this possiblity is discounted.

If you kindly devote 10 minutes and look at Part I, you will see how tragic the science and evidence has been sidestepped by not more than 4-5 political appointees (NIST employes over 3,000 scientists)

http://www.AE911Truth.org
On the left …. NIST Admits Freefall [Part I (10:48 min)]

You are definitely on the right path as I was about 12 months ago.

If, as you suggest, the federal government was somehow involved in the WTC affair, one simple, obvious, unambiguous question…

Why?

To institute martial law? Didn’t happen, despite hysteria over the Patriot Act.

To initiate a war in the Middle East? President Cheney and his minions could have done that by engineering a Tonkin Gulf Incident in the Persian Gulf. Worked in 1965.

To crash the world economy? Hell, Goldman Sachs and AIG managed that without a shot being fired.

So, again … why?

Oh, and one other question. I understand that the sub-human fanatics with a smattering of flight training were also planning to take out the Sears (now Willis) Tower in Chicago or some other structure. Since they were in cahoots with the government, why have no carefully placed, unexploded charges ever been found? I suppose that despite taking months of careful planning and positioning, they were spirited away the morning of 9/12 so as not to let the cat out of the proverbial bag.

I’m sorry, but I will never believe anything other than the fact that a group of mainly Saudi, religiously brainwashed dupes of chickenhawk Osama (“Run! The infidels are coming!”) got the minimal flight training they needed to try to bring their delusional fantasies of global caliphate and 72 virgins (making them post-carnate child molesters) to fruition. Prior to 9/11 the words “airliner” and “hijacking” meant a trip to Cuba and some unscheduled mojitos. Few, other than the government spooks who should have known and may have but didn’t tell anyone with a functioning brain (see “Bush Administration,” et al.), ever imagined there were faith-crazed maniacs loose who would use airplanes with their own bodies on board as missiles.

In the final analysis, I believe it will be retrograde, obsolete religious mania that ultimately destroys civilization. Theirs. Ours. Everybody’s. Or as the saying goes: “It took science to create airplanes and skyscrapers, but it took faith to bring them together.”

I also believe the 21st Century will make the bloody 20th look like a garden party, because the human psyche is too hooked on religious, nationalistic and delusional madness to be conducive to long-term survival. But that’s another issue.

Oh, gosh. I forgot. Where does Flight 93 fit into the conspiracy fever dream?

Felipe, I haven’t yet done the homework you give, but I want to say that the various conspiracy whizbang conclusions the thought of explosives might inspire are another thing altogether. You haven’t said anything to that effect, anyway. But I’m thinking the chemical components and forces necessary for unprecedented and explosive events could have occurred coincidentally, not by any predetermination. Just as my old “bug-bomb” that may no longer be manufactured — because of warnings since I bought it — may still be in my very humble cupboard, along with a very toxic and dangerous mix of ammonia, bleach, paint, thinner, etc., etc. And a good shaking plus a lot of heat (in a building with as many people, as much space, as long a time) would cause a reaction not at all scientifically controlled. There had been an explosion in the past, in the garage. I’m thinking supplies left over and abandoned?
I think the building would have come down without these other unexplained happenings, and the deaths would have occurred anyway. But I’ll read on.

Thank you Ellen for your kind effort.

Please don’t forget….everybody understands that there could be fuel storage as much as strict fire code allows. They might have built, illegally, 10 times more highly combustible storage than the allowed on various floors of WTC7. We all know that.

These assumptions just does not matter to Science of Physics.

The one thing nobody can dispute is this: there are about 187 frames of undisputed video footage. When you look at them frame by frame in any pc, notebook or lab, it is clear and measurable that the building was coming down with “acceleration” vs. constant speed. This is heart and core of the scientific fight.

In other words, the distance traveled downward is greater in each frame than the previous frame. This can happen only where there is no structural vertical resistance. Which means vertical beams were cut all at the same time.

Trust me it is that simple.

You think Newtonian physics dictates someone must have arranged simultaneous explosions on all the floors, all the vertical supports at each level, at exactly the time the 9/11 airplanes’ impact had its cataclysmic effect???? Like an adjunct to the airplane collisions?

Couldn’t Newtonian physics also dictate that the increasing weight hitting each succeeding lower level increased the force, and overcame the friction increasingly as it proceeded? No matter the size, a snowball would fall the same rate, but if it is growing by a floor’s worth of bulk, by each floor, stretching and weakening the whole by the millisecond, wouldn’t that make its downward fall increasingly fast?

Why should there be planes invloved….

Looks like everybody is taken over by the past/history and images. We are not talking about the twin towers.

Again….this is WTC Building 7.
It is just a typical office tower and just had fires started on various floors. Two buildings away from the main towers. The third building that collapsed on that day in the afternoon.

We are NOT interested in the two towers – at this moment.

Here is the buildings layout for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg

http://www.HumanGenome.org/MITBeijing.htm

I’m going to wait for others to weigh in, focus on other things for a while, Felipe. Thanks for all the links. WTC7 is another story, indeed.

Uh, hello… Flight 93? Anybody? Anybody? Buehller?

I love a good conspiracy theory. I just wish that the 9/11 conspiracy theorists would paint a complete picture. Who did it and why exactly? Who is all involved? What else might they be planning? What exactly are they trying to achieve? Please give me more than “WTC 7! WTC 7!” Don’t give me a link or name someone else, just give me your complete theory. I’d like to hear it!

Thanks!

To: Posted by Alex, at 2:14 pm EDT

Again, your do not understand the word “corporation”. It is NOT an association of people. It is a separate entity, distinct from its owners. Look it up, please.

The Supreme Court case about the “Hilary” movie on the face of it is ridiculous. First, spending money is not speech. Otherwise any prohibition against purchasing anything would be a violation of free speech. Second, corporations are not individuals. They are quasi-individuals in a limited economic sense. Even if we grant these absurdities just because they are individuals does not mean they are citizens and unless they are citizens they are not afforded the rights in the constitution. Corporations do not have to fulfill the responsibilities of citizens and therefore do not deserve the rights of citizens. Obviously I’m not a lawyer and I’m sure there are legal subtleties I’m missing here but on the face of it this whole issue is wrong all around. And to think this is the foundation of campaign finance reform?

so cool,

“The Space Telescope Science Institute (STScI) in Baltimore, Md., is partnering on a historic search for Earth-size planets around other stars. STScI is the data archive center for NASA’s Kepler mission, a spacecraft that is undertaking a survey for Earth-size planets in our region of the galaxy. The spacecraft sent its first raw science data to STScI on June 19.

The Institute was the logical choice for storing the anticipated flood of data because its scientists have processed enough observations from NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope over the past 19 years to fill almost two collections of material in the U.S. Library of Congress.

The Institute’s role is to convert the raw science data into files that can be analyzed by Kepler researchers and to store the files every three months in an archive.

“We are part of this mission because of our experience with Hubble data processing and archiving,” explained David Taylor, project manager for the development of Kepler’s Data Management Center at the Institute. “NASA’s Ames Research Center [the home of Kepler's science operations] had not done a science mission like this one. Building the Data Management Center from scratch would have been more costly, and it would have taken longer to get up to speed.”

Launched on March 6 on a Delta II rocket from Cape Canaveral, Fla., the Kepler spacecraft will spend the next 3 1/2 years searching for habitable planets by staring nonstop at more than 100,000 Sun-like stars out of about 4.5 million catalogued stars in the spacecraft’s field-of-view, located in the summer constellations Cygnus and Lyra.

The spacecraft simultaneously measures the variations in brightness of the more than 100,000 stars every 30 minutes, searching for periodic dips in a star’s brightness that happen when an orbiting planet crosses in front of it and partially blocks the light. These fluctuations are tiny compared with the brightness of the star. For an Earth-size planet transiting a solar-type star, the change in brightness is less than 1/100 of 1 percent. This event is similar to the dimming one might see if a flea were to crawl across a car’s headlight viewed from several miles away.

When the mission is completed in several years, the survey should tell astronomers how common Earth-size planets are around stars.”

imagine if we found there we’re earth like planets that could support life and we had the abiltiy to see them or atleast from the hubble.

On point could you have someone from The Space Telescope Science Institute or someone involved with hubble on to talk about some of the new discoverys?
and what they wish to do in the future?

Posted by Michael, on September 11th, 2009

if onpoint can have a show about birthers, tea-baggers and the crap they spew it surely can have one on people views on WTC and there thinking about it and why they think such.

Debbie….
I understand, you are overwhelmed, even if it is just one piece of evidence…the most crucial and easy to understand.

Cory,
Here it is….concentration please.
If you put 100 physics in one room, 100 of them will get this regardless of what they believe in life. If 1 teacher does not get it, I am offering a brand new Prius.

Law of Physics say…when you drop an (solid) object from any height, due to gravity the object falls at an increasing speed… ie. the first 1st sec 4 ft, 2nd sec 11 ft, 3rd sec 23 ft, 4th sec 37 ft. until it hits the ground. Free-Fall formula from the early ages of Physics, never changed.

Exception: No baloons due to air resistance; no skydivers – too long of a distance, air resistance (open arms & legs) makes the speed of fall => constant after 1400 ft.

If the building WTC7 went down at (near) free fall speed, at a smooth accelerating rate… it means only one thing:
It came down without any resistance.
Another way of saying: vertical supporting columns (at least) bottom 8-10 floors were cut all at once simultaneously.

If there had been a progressive structural collapse due to any condition … single/multiple blasts, fire, meteorite, lightening, scale 13 earthquake or category sever hurricane… the collapse cannot and will not happen at free-fall (smoothly accelerating) speed.

When you look at 187 frames of video, frame by frame and the total time, you get exactly the same number of seconds as the free-fall formula gives you.

It is that simple. Just give 10 min to Part I video and see how NIST staff down deep knows that this Fact alone is the sticking point why we invaded Afghanistan.

“Again, your do not understand the word “corporation”. It is NOT an association of people. It is a separate entity, distinct from its owners. Look it up, please.”

It is a separate entity for the purposes of business law, tax law, tort law, etc. But this does not end the analysis. Just listen to the Supreme Court arguments. For the purposes of constitutional law First Amendment analysis, the Court is not going to take a business law definition and say: “Done deal. No First Amendment rights.”

Again, there are campaign contributions and there is spending. If I form a corporation and want to run ads in the media, are you telling me the Government may restrict that? You’d better have a better argument than “The corporation is a separate entity” theory.

Rumor has it that Secretary of State Clinton will resign her cabinet position and run for govenor of New York, and that she will then challenge Obama for the nomination in 2012. Barack Obama just can’t get a break.

Felipe is absolutely correct. I second the idea of having the Architect from California.

Like Debbie said the Poor man is going outside of US to give speeches and to express his valuable opinions and what he believes in. Shame on our media.

Anybody who opposes to this idea: What do you have to lose? You wouldn’t oppose to any other topic, would you? Ask yourselves. Isn’t this sort of odd?

I find your response to the callers that voiced concern with the growing legitimacy being given to the hate filled speech being directed in a very disrespectful manner towards President Obama by a small minority of racist individuals to be a bit disingenuous. You go so far as to blame the President. Change has come to America and in 2009 one would hope that all Americans would be enlighten enough to embrace it. The pictures of gun totting, individuals spewing death wishes towards the person elected by the majority of citizens of this country to the rest of the world is very sad and every American should be ashamed. I am particularly offended that you believe that President Obama “is a good role model for black children”.

Cory, give it up. I am. As the good Senator Frank said, you are arguing with a dining room table.

on Public option:

I am a US and Italy Citizen

In Italy we have one of the longest life expectancy in the world, a public option and a Cadillac private option.

The 2 can coexist. Rich people, that can afford it, will pay for faster services offered by the best doctors and recover in single rooms at private clinics

but everyone will have access to a modern if somewhat disorganized public option.

the public system works better in northern of Italy where there is a more developed civic culture and not very good in the south where corruption is more prevalent in society.

The public system in Italy has huge wastes, huge overall corruption, it is the feud of local political officers, yet it costs less per person than the US system and works better.

It is so simple why nobody looks carefully at what works outside of the US? because of an insular mentality or because of insurance company brain washing? both?

When is Obama going to admit his huge mistake in Afghanistan? Trying to prove he could be tough, he ramped up the troop numbers and all we have to show for it is more dead and more spent; by a multiple. Maybe he should stop calling people liars and get some work done.

This week, Joe Wilson wrote the epitaph for the Obama presidency’ “You Lie”.

Mark S,

I think you might be right. I don’t know how else to ask.

“To institute martial law? Didn’t happen, despite hysteria over the Patriot Act.

To initiate a war in the Middle East? President Cheney and his minions could have done that by engineering a Tonkin Gulf Incident in the Persian Gulf. Worked in 1965.

To crash the world economy? Hell, Goldman Sachs and AIG managed that without a shot being fired.

So, again … why?”

There was something that happened after 9/11, which would not have happened but for 9/11. That was a huge increase in defense spending. Remember, the US had been a sole remaining superpower for a decade prior to 9/11 with its defense budget steadily declining. In 2000, it was about $300 bil. By 2006, it went right back and overshot on the way back up to over $500 bil (with two wars worth of extra off-budget spending). If you don’t think that would provide sufficient motivation for conniving on the part of the beneficiaries of this spending you have a great faith in humankind that I do not possess.

P.S. I don’t believe the Government concocted 9/11, but I would have no difficulty finding motive here.

How can you give Glenn Beck any credibility?!? He’s just a big mouth blow hard with no substance!

Ask Van Jones if Glenn Beck has any credibility.

4 problems that could sink America
American ingenuity has solved daunting problems before and could again. But it would be a mistake to assume that American prosperity is on a preordained upward course.
… We’re uninformed…
I can most definitely add What really happened on 9/11? or Why we “really” invaded Iraq?
Please ask OnPoint to take the leadership and be the champions of these causes.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/4-problems-that-could-sink-america.aspx?page=all

People who lack the sense to question Big Lies always end up in deep trouble. Being well informed takes work, even with the Internet. In a democracy, that’s simply a civic burden. If we’re too foolish or lazy to educate ourselves on health care, global warming, financial reform and other complicated issues, then we’re signing ourselves over to special interests who see nothing wrong with plundering our national — and personal — wealth. <<<

By the way, there was an hour of OnPoint given over to the “birthers” and questioners of Obama’s birth, in July I think. The archive will have it.

1. If the movie in question had been about Bush or a Republican we would not be having this discussion.

2. Corruption is the secret killer of our Country. That courruption reaches across both parties. Both Dems and Repubs are neck deep in it. By the way Americans, we are included in this pot too.

3. Healthcare reform is needed,yet, I feel when this trojan horse is finally sold to America, I fear what is going to fall out of its belly.

4. To the people who think other countries have better services than the USA, move!

5. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Wilson has apologized, Why has Harry Reid and Obama not apologized for their liar, liar comments.

6. The WTC center was attacked by ISLAMIC terrorist. Why are we afraid to tell the truth. There are good Muslims and Bad Muslims, the bad ones attacked and murdered 3,000 innocent people! Yet, we have been asked not to profile and hurt someones feelings. Sept. 11, we remember 9/11 the “day terrorist attacked us” This December we will remember that 68 years ago “Terrorist” attacked Pearl Harbor. No, we know who attacked us. They had bad people as well as good people too.

7. The WTC fell because of structual failure due to intense and prolong exposure to heat. Look at the design of the building and you will see why it pancaked. Islamic terrorist flew the planes.

8. America was once respected because it was a bulldog that had both a bark and a bite. Only provoked when stepped on. We have lost that respect in many ways, but one reason why is the dog is having it’s teeth pulled. Reason being, we can not kiss butt if we have teeth, we might hurt someones feelings. Remember what the Admiral of the imperial Japanese navy said after bombing Pearl Harbor?

David, David, David

You are, I think, in denial due to your political views. You probably will deny anything. It is fine, the evil Islamic Terrorist attacked us, etc. I will give you that. That is not the point.

WTC (two 110 stroy, hit by planes) Towers fell due to intense heat + structural failure and pancake theory (which was withdrawn by NIST after three years of a selling job). Fine, fine, fine. You and your friends can talk amongst yourselves.

The topic request that we are making from WBUR is WTC 7…. the former Solomon Building 47 stories a block away from the twin towers and was not hit by a plane on the day of 9/11. Fire is fine. It never ever ever was enough to collapse any other steel framed buildings. There were cases of many (about 40) “uncontrolled” fire cases in high-rise buildings during the last 40 years. In most of these cases the buildings were “engulfed” with flames like absolute torches. The steel structure has never been harmed…..These are small issues.

The Only Issue we care is One More Time: Why did World Trade Center #7 (not #1 and not #2) collapse at an accelerated “free-fall” speed? (undisputed fact)
There is only one scenario where this can happen … and it is called Contolled Demolition

It is that simple.

1,000.00 Euro Reward Money for Information

Speaking of 9/11
A friend of mine who is in England now is writing a book about the events of 9/11 to be published next year before September, about events that are not publicly know events on that day.

She is looking for information…from somebody who was and insider working for New York Port Authority or Vornado Realty and had knowledge of the bidding process for transerfing the public ownership of WTC Complex to private hands at the end of 2000.

The info she is after is: even after Vornado Realty has won the 99-year lease contract, why did they withdraw themselves on March 19 2001 Monday evening (announced on Tuesday morning). This happened after months and months negotiations and Vornado agreeing to every condition that was set forth; and they had to pay serious dollars as penalty. And the buildings were given to the second bidder: Silverstein Properties and Frank Lowy of Australia.

Because NY Port Authority and Vornado is not bound by Freedom of Information Act, she cannot get this info by filing papers in federal courts.

If you are one of those few individuals, please post here.

Is there any discussion about moving beyond calling high level White House officials Czars? The little I know of Russian Czar, even the way the title was introduced to society is steeped in violence and oppression. Disturbing yes! A sort of irony too that Van Jones who questioning the investigation of 911 was called a Czar.
Thank you

Czar (i.e., Caesar, into Russian) is a handy term for officials on whom pomposity sits well, i.e., good-humored sorts. It is generally ironic. We have a parking czar here who in a small but crucial domain tries innovative things and offends many and fails at times. Everyone knows him. He wears his crown at a Cockney tilt.
In DC, there was the drug czar — a tip of the hat to the impossibility of his mission?
I hear “we dare you to” and the expectation that new directions will be forthcoming, innovative if maybe sophomoric attempts will be made. Like a Russian czar, the appointee may have his term shot down early.
Apologies to Merriam-Webster et al.

Felipe, If your conclusion it true, it would be the first time in history that our government did something perfect. Who are you blaming??? Considering how our government over the many years can only screw up the simpliest things, coordinating this event is next to sure brilliance. Considering the vast numbers of people and equipment and timing of this event, foreign and domestic, it would have to have very smart people and a bunch of dumb ones to boot. Dumb ones who like to be water-boarded and the likes. Not to mention the dumb ones who would eventually run their mouths and brag about it. Bush could never have pulled this one off, because the Dems knew his every move. Well, maybe not, Marilyn Monroe was killed by the Kennedy brothers and covered up. Maybe this is all a political plot by the power hungry Dems. to insure power for ever. Maybe the Dems planned the attacks or maybe there is a radical group of religious people(Islamic terrorists) who hate us regardless of our efforts. Even if it turns out to be turn, the only thing we will do to them is put them in jail for the rest of their life at tax payer expense. Felipe, look at the design of the two buildings, it was unlike any design of the normal steel construction in high risers. Keep digging.

Jack Beatty, Doyle Mcmanus your political commentary is absolutely comical. No wonder so many people claim NPR is liberaly biased.

David David David

This getting too stupid and tiring. I know you guys are doing this on purpose, so that we will look dillusional, right? Nice try!

Where in the world, you are getting an idea that anybody reasonable has ever claimed that U.S. Government has planned and executed the 9/11 attacks. This is just not true. I personally never claimed that. Van Jones never ever ever claimed that.

All they asked for is a new and independent investigation. All I want is to know why the WTC #7 has collapsed.

IF IT IS NOT CLEAR TO YOU NOW, READ THIS POSTING AGAIN

Felipe, check out the web. sorry I made it seem you were impling the government, I was only eliminating suspects. So, who do you think did so? If not government, or not totally the terrorist, who then? I know somewhere in your thoughts you may have an answer.

>>>If not government, or not totally the terrorist, who then?<<<

How in the world would I know? I am not an investigator or a member of any commission.

I am just a structural steel frame designer and a civil engineer. I am telling you what I have missed for over siz years. How obvious it was, but I was blinded with the images and the whatever the pop-colture/media has fed us.

Again, I am betting all of my net worth that WTC Building #7, not the towers, have come down symetrically in 6.2 seconds with cutter charges not due to any other reason.

I thought there was a WTC widow and a pending trial that had to do with this odd collapse. If not, well, it is an engineer’s issue. I still think that the weight of the top floor on the next floor is weight A, the weight of the top two floors is 2 times A, and the weight of the top three floors is 3 times A, and so on. If you had one of me stomping on a beer can, it would take a while of me perching on it to crush it down. By the time you have somebody 7 times my weight (the top seven floors) stomping on that beer can, it would go down in a New York second.
But I also think that where I live, if a building were suspected of becoming unstable (for instance if two skyscrapers came down nearby), the demolition experts would bring it down ASAP, to preserve people. New Yorkers surely know way more than I do about this. Who owned the building? The City? Did they sue? Maybe a landlord being afraid of being sued for having his building collapse on somebody set his own explosives. That’s the closest I can come to a conspiracy theory. But it’s another story altogether from 9/11, it seems to me.

The 911 conspiracy guys need a nickname. Whackjobs is too easy. Nutcakes…

No Debbie….

Not coke cans. Don’t know where you get that stuff… it is not that complicate and it is not that simple either.

Forget about the weight and the formulas that are total junk science.

Please read the previous postings about WTC #7. If you want it in any other language, I will translate it for you.

It is the “free-fall” speed.
a) Collapse at “accelerating” free-fall speed
or
b) constant (or decelarating) not free-fall speed.

Frame by frame…. 187 frames.

If b) good thing that we are in Afghanistan
If a) oh my God, what the hell we have done. Osama is totally innocent, and we ought to apologize to the Whole World and Afghanistan and look inward to feel the mass murderers.

Just found this Hallelujah Article for the Producers of OnPoint.
http://www.metroactive.com/metro/09.09.09/cover-0936.html
I agree with the previous postings. They have to get Richard Gage to the studio when he comes to Boston.

Explosive Theory
Eight years after 9/11, a growing organization of building trades professionals suspect that there was more to the event than the government will admit

By Jay Levin and Tom McKenzie

JUST A FEW YEARS ago Ed Munyak, a fire protection engineer for the city of San Jose, seemed like a lonely, out-there figure, a sometimes-target because of his outspoken position on the events of Sept. 11, 2001. These days, hundreds of other building trade professionals have joined him in challenging the official narrative about the collapse of three buildings at New York’s World Trade Center (WTC) on that fateful, traumatic day.

Munyak, of Los Altos Hills, is a mechanical and fire engineer whose job is to review building plans to ensure they comply with the California Building and Fire Code. In 2007, after speaking out on his own for a few years, Munyak signed on with a then-fledging organization called Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (AE911 Truth), founded by Bay Area architect Richard Gage.

Today, far from being isolated, Munyak now counts as allies 804 professional architects and building engineers from around the country. Collectively, they have joined Munyak’s call for an independent technical investigation of the causes of the WTC buildings collapse. In doing so, they reject the federal government’s conclusions that two airplanes alone brought the buildings down—without the aid of pre-planted explosives.

Munyak and his fellow AE911 supporters recently received acknowledgement from the FBI’s counterterrorism division, which concluded that the organization’s core evidence deserves—and will get—FBI scrutiny. In a letter, Deputy Director Michael J. Heimbach assessed AE911’s presentation as “backed by thorough research and analysis.”

Munyak and his professional allies insist that they are not conspiracy theorists, and they refuse to speculate on the “why” or “who” of 9/11. Munyak described their basic position in an interview with Metro.

“Buildings do not fail from fire related causes in the way that World Trade Center 1, 2 and 7 failed. Steel frame or composite steel buildings, modern high-rise buildings—they just do not collapse catastrophically like that. It’s impossible.
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more
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much more
http://www.metroactive.com/metro/09.09.09/cover-0936.html

I have examined both the tapes of the twins and WTC7. The unique design of the twins and the crashing of two jets into them caused the crash of the two twins. To assume explosives did so is a major feat of coordinating planes crashing into the exact location of where the charges were set to cover the detonation. The fall of WTC7 upon viewing does show what is consistent with a planned take down. To have done this, charges would have had to be placed on all the supporting pillars in the building, detonated at the same time. This would have made a noticeable sound to be heard by at least someone I think. Even wrapped for sound surpression, there would have been a vibration. I remember on the news that day, that inspectors had looked at this building and deemed it on the verge of collapse. If this is a conspiracy, then it goes all the way to the top. To have pulled this off with the necessary equipment and people would have had to involve some very powerful people.

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by socialist electricity
generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of
Energy. I then took a shower in the socialist clean water provided by the
municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the socialist radio to one
of the FCC regulated channels to hear what the socialist National Weather
Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration
determined the weather was going to be like using socialist satellites
designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of socialist US
Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the socialist drugs
which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as kept accurate by the socialist National Institute
of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my
socialist National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile
and set out to work on the socialist roads build by the socialist local,
state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to
purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the socialist
Environmental Protection Agency, using socialist legal tender issued by the
Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to
be sent out via the socialist US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the
socialist public school. If I get lost, I can use my socialist GPS
navigation technology developed by the United States Department of Defense
and made available to the public in 1996 by President Bill Clinton who
issued a policy directive declaring socialist GPS to be a dual-use
military/civilian system to be managed as a national socialist asset.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the
socialist workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the
Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals
which again do not kill me because of the socialist USDA, I drive my
socialist NHTSA car back home on the socialist DOT roads, to my house which
has not burned down in my absence because of the socialist state and local
building codes and socialist fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not
been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the socialist local police
department.
I then get on my computer and use the socialist internet which was developed
by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and browse the
socialist World Wide Web using my graphical web browser, both made possible
by Al Gore’s socialist High Performance Computing and Communication Act of
1991. I then post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how
SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right.