100 years from now some people will still (unfortunately) be repeating the same religious claptrap. The same stale lines and circular logical fallacies. Like watching the same sitcom episode over and over.

One is alive.

One is dead.

God has removed the archived audio.

Yes he has.

And you can’t prove me otherwise.

I don’t see any reason to invent a God either. : ) God exists on His own and He is the one who created us and the universe. God has always existed, not the universe.’

Got the lab test for those statements?

Uh-huh.

You seem well acquainted with the inner workings and methods of functioning of ‘God.’

No speculation there.

Fantasy.

Fiction.

Fairytale.

Delusion.

In that case, I believe the letter ‘Q’ on the keyboard controls the whole universe.

And that is that.

And you can’t convince me otherwise.

“Science has not postulated that existence is not eternal (multiverse).”

True. But when you get into multiverse (many universe) theories, you are leaving the realm of “test in a laboratory” science and entering more into the realm of philosophy.

Even if there were other universes, one could legitimately ask, “How did those begin?” In any case, the multiverse theory is pure speculation.

I don’t see any reason to invent a God either. : ) God exists on His own and He is the one who created us and the universe. God has always existed, not the universe.

God gives all people free will. He does not micromanage every individual’s life and destiny. For example, you can choose to believe in God or not. God has given you, and all people, that ability. He has also given people the ability to make various moral choices every day. We are responsible for our actions.

For more on creation, please see-

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5154

Your statement that the universe will always happen also goes against science and Christianity. The universe, as we currently know it, will come to an end.

“Science has shown that the universe it not eternal.”

Science has postulated that this universe is not eternal. Science has not postulated that existence is not eternal (multiverse).

“God is the one Being who has always existed.”

I do not see the reason to invent a God. A being with human-like qualities of intentionality and decision-making capacity. A single existence-boss that controls, plans, and decides all – even micromanages every individual’s life and destiny.

‘The God argument is a logical fallacy. The God argument is saying that the universe cannot exist independent of God, while saying that God can exist independent of anything else. That’s the fallacy. Not that our observable universe may have come into existence from some other somethingness.’

The universe constantly transforms states. It is something that has always happened and will always happen.’

Again, science has shown that the universe is not eternal. Christianity teaches this as well.

“If everything has to be created to exist, then nothing would exist since something cannot be created by nothing by your own definition.”

I never said that everything that exists had to have been created. Something has had to have always existed- as difficult a concept for us to understand or grasp.

God is the one Being who has always existed.

http://www.christiancadre.org/member_contrib/God_as_Causal.html
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/beginning.html#iK7FMOTd9Q6C

Societies might be better off if the two concepts were uncoupled from each other.

Existence always was and always will be (in one form or another). It did not begin and will not end (human concepts).

‘Nothing (nothingness) does, in fact, NOT exist.

With this assumption we can easily say that the universe did not begin from nothing, nor will it collapse into nothing. The universe, then, has always existed and will always exist.

There’s no doubt that the universe is constantly changing. In fact, we’ve created time to measure that change.

Meanwhile, the universe changes states on a changing but fluid rate. Our ability to model the universe using math has enabled us to predict future states based on current observations of change, and postulate past states by rolling back .

Human beings are biased to see beginnings and endings because we interact with each other’s consciousness, and that consciousness (awareness) appears to begin at some point after conception, and end at some point near death.

But if you think about it, this consciousness interaction is the only thing that appears to begin and end. Our mass doesn’t magically disappear when we die. Our form degrades and we become part of the earth again. But we don’t “end.”

We don’t “begin” either. We are an extension of our parents (mostly mother.) We are her, and she is her mother.

The universe did not begin, nor will it end. Nothing begins or ends; all is perpetual and forever, but human bias gets in the way of seeing this. We project our beginnings and endings onto almost everything…including our natural environment.

“Beginning” and “ending” are simply labels on a time line that contain a range of identifiable states. But since the time line has no beginning and no ending, it doesn’t serve much purpose to ascribe such labels.’

http://www.physorg.com/news133515283.html

Saying that if something exists then it must have been created, is wrong.

‘That’s human bias speaking, and it’s wrong. If everything has to be created to exist, then nothing would exist since something cannot be created by nothing by your own definition.

Nothing does not exist, which means something must have always existed–if it has always existed then it was not created. It’s the only possible logical truth.’

“Theoretical cosmology does not postulate that the universe created itself out of nothing.”

So the universe was created by some Being?

The universe is not eternal and could not have created itself.

Being critical of some religious ideas does not diminish one’s respect of people choice of religions.

To me, religions are creation of human primitive needs for survival. Than they evolved into mega size community power.

I often ask myself a very basic question. Why do we need to “worship” god even if god created us. I can’t even get pass this thought of worship. If something created us, I show tremendous respect and make peace and harmony, but I won’t be the creator’s slave. Like nature, if we don’t respect and balance is off, we suffer from the consequence. Life will be eliminated through the process of balancing itself. And those eliminated life are very random, not because those dead people sin more than others alive.

To me, the most arrogant part of religions is putting themselves above any other non believers and all other life. Some of them don’t believe animals have souls, if human really buy into this bulls, we are in deep trouble.

“Although we live by strife
We’re always sorry to begin it
For what, we ask, is life
Without a touch of Poetry in it?”

Rejoinder:

Although the world has churches
I’m eternally perturbed by it.
For what, I ask, is life
Without a little Reality in it?

The chorus sings:
Hail, Poetry, thou heaven-born maid!
Though gildest e’en the pirates’ trade!
Hail, glowing found of sentiment!
All Hail, Divine Emollient!

The pirate king sings:
You may go, for you’re at liberty.
Our pirate rules protect you,
And honorary members of our band
We do elect you!

Chorus: For he is an orphan boy, he is, hurrah for the orphan boy, etc.

So there is Poetry being dragged through the G&S wittery along with Religion.
None of it is to be taken seriously, EC, but the music takes it seriously, so to speak. It sneaks the totally disrespectfulness under the music. Therein it is much better than Saturday Night Live which does not sneak at all.

Crimes committed in no Gods’ name.

The focus needs to be on crimes.

It is really all about power.