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California’s Clean Energy Future

This hour was pre-recorded in front of a live audience, hosted by member station KCLU in Thousand Oaks, California, on Saturday evening, Nov. 7, 2009.

A solar energy panel is carried to be placed in a solar energy field under construction for the Sacramento Municipal Utility District in Rancho Cordova, Calif., Tuesday, Sept. 15, 2009. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger used the site to sign an executive order giving California the nation's most aggressive energy standards that would require utilities to get a third of their power from renewable sources by 2020. (AP)

A solar energy field under construction for the Sacramento Municipal Utility District in Rancho Cordova, Calif., Tuesday, Sept. 15, 2009. (AP)

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California has always been a mainspring of American economic growth. In wave after wave of discovery and innovation, from gold to the Internet, California has cracked open new frontiers for itself and the country.

Now California’s in trouble – with debt, foreclosure, layoffs, unemployment worse than the nation’s.

But once again it’s got a great, bright hope — this time, clean tech and the green economy. It’s on fire, but is it enough?

This hour, On Point: in a special broadcast from outside Los Angeles, can California’s green economy save California? Can it save the country?

You can join the conversation. Tell us what you think — here on this page, on Twitter, and on Facebook.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests:

Mary Nichols, Chair of the California Air Resources Board (appointed by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in July 2007). She was assistant administrator for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Air and Radiation program under the Clinton Administration.

Bill Gross, a lifelong entrepreneur and founder of Idealab, a business incubator which seeks to help fledging companies with new innovations. Idealab is invested in Aptera Motors, Energy Innovations, eSolar (where Gross is CEO), Distributed World Power, RayTracker, and Infinia. Energy Innovations completed the world’s largest corporate solar installation at Google headquarters in 2006.

Gary Polakovic, former lead environmental writer at the Los Angeles Times, where he shared in a Pulitzer Prize. He’s now president of Make Over Earth, Inc., a public affairs firm specializing in environment and energy issues. He’s covered environmental issues in California and across the nation for 23 years.

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Listener comments
  • A big part of CA’s problems are related to the greedy and criminal people making sub prime loans to people who can not afford to buy a home and greedy speculators buying houses (driving housing prices up overall) so they can flip them for big profit in a short time with no value add on their part.

    Posted by BHA, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:13 AM
  • the terminator sucks, hes been a bane to the state. My fathers on his team and says he wants to raise taxes but can’t cause his party wouldn’t let him. So he starves the state of funding making things even worst. 3 stikes laws and the Prison system has eaten up Cali Budget.

    Can’t believe he got elected, i hope people realize what a mistake it was and don’t vote in that fool CEO from Google in his place.

    Green Jobs, and Clean Energy will get mucked up by this governor.

    Posted by MIchael, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:18 AM
  • I second BHA as well

    Posted by MIchael, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:19 AM
  • How about the $1 Billion a year California spend for their permanent ILLEGAL ALIENS? Is this part of their Big Economy programs too?

    How about the lousy Car and Health Care insurances that they offer in California.

    Arnold should plant more trees to eradicate pollution and to have more fresher air.

    Posted by akilez, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:19 AM
  • Green won’t cut it until it is more profitable than old methods or we have no other choice.

    When it does work the benefit will be as follows: Wealthiest 5% of Americans will enjoy 75% of benefit, as they will capitalize, develop, and profit from it. The remaining percentage will divide that final 25% in the form of the jobs it creates and the disposable income of the top 5%.

    Posted by Cory, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:38 AM
  • The vast majority of the small household solar lights, etc… that are manufactured in China are junk that fails in short order, more often than not. Can’t the US, California, be the providers of quality solar products. I really try to buy American and I think more people will if the quality is good.

    Posted by Cathy Pickett, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:40 AM
  • Re your guests’s comment, China “way out in front” in green technology? Is he serious? China may be the world’s largest manufacturer of solar technology, but at what cost to their own land and people. The unregulated growth of China’s manufacturing sector has befouled the Chinese environment beyond belief! The situation is not improving. The US certainly lags behind in green power, green manufacturing, etc. That needs to be remedied. But let’s look at the big picture too.

    Posted by Richard Milius, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:40 AM
  • Is it true that California is a hostile location for business? I’ve heard small and big business people are moving out.

    What is the personal tax situation in California? What kind of rates are being paid, how many people pay nothing?

    Subsidies for clean energy aren’t free. Just judging from the annual budget chaos, it seems like California has a lot of problems.

    Posted by Natalie, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:43 AM
  • Where should California college graduates with strong engineering and knowledge of sustainable industries look for work?

    Posted by brian carroll, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:49 AM
  • I find it interesting that the discussion of electric car came right after talking about power plants. Whenever electric cars are discussed there seems to be an assumption that the electricity is free. How many new electric power need to be created to suppport the transfer from gasoline to electircity? Also when they speak of how inexpensive the electricity is to recharge your car it doesn’t take into consideration the power generation, transmission lines (neighborhoods love these)and other costs to make this HUGE energy transfer. why isn’t the total life cycle of electirc cars discussed?

    Posted by Bruce Pershke, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:50 AM
  • You folks are preaching to the choir. How do you get the Fox News audience on board??

    Posted by Ellen Bloedel, on November 9th, 2009 at 11:54 AM
  • Great PROGRAM! long overdue!
    The govoner of CAL is correct!
    Why don’t “we” lead? Let’s do it Let’s GO to the MOON again with green!
    if the oil industry does not want to participate, get out of the way! Move ON NOW!

    Posted by Bill Murphy, on November 9th, 2009 at 12:06 PM
  • How many people have gone to China and seen what our money has bought them?

    Everything is new in the big cities. The roads, the buildings, the airports, the trains, the stores, the cars. Everything.

    Buy MADE IN THE USA. If you don’t start demanding it America you are going to find this country in 3rd world status within a decade.

    When I come back to America from Asia or Europe I can’t believe the condition of the infrastructure. 3rd world for sure.

    Posted by Bill, on November 9th, 2009 at 12:11 PM
  • Why would CA be any more competitive in solar power than they are in anything else? Until China rebalances its currency the jobs hemorrhaging will continue. Pretending that alternative energy is somehow different is just grasping at straws.

    Posted by Rob L, on November 9th, 2009 at 2:48 PM
  • Cathy Pickett:

    There are several US manufacturers which will provide more reliable LEDs, of which here are three:

    Ilumisys Inc.(See:
    http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20091108/FREE/311089978/1069# )

    International Light Technologies:
    http://www.intl-lighttech.com/products/light-source/led-modules/ledlighting

    Cree LED Lighting (a leading manufacturer from North Carolina):
    http://www.creells.com/lr6.htm

    Then the newly announced (dimmable) 60w replacement from Philips is made in the US.

    GE and Sylvania also have LEDs, but so far mostly for commercial applications.

    Set up a Google search that will give you a daily or weekly list of LED Lighting announcements or blogs and you will find others.

    Posted by DonaldB, on November 9th, 2009 at 5:55 PM
  • Bruce Pershke:

    In a typical gasoline engine, only 15 to 20% of the energy in the gasoline is converted into movement down the road. An electric motor can be 95 to 98% efficient, and even coal-fired and nuclear power generating plants are about 33% efficient, while gas turbines can approach or slightly exceed 40% efficiency. Cogeneration plants (heat and power, often used by hospitals, etc.) are 80 to 90% efficient in using the fuel/s energy. Transmission losses for even long runs are seldom over 10% and usually the losses are around 5%.

    When the cars are charged at night, which is practical for the majority of commuters who travel less than 20 to 30 miles a day, output of electric power will not have to be increased, just not shut down. To make use of the wind in the midwest, new transmission lines will have to be built, but we already desperately need to do that to avoid another major blackout like those of a few years ago. By building higher voltage lines, these can be even more efficient.

    Posted by DonaldB, on November 9th, 2009 at 6:16 PM
  • Ellen…the Fox audience is already here…know thine enemy. On board? You wish…

    Posted by bush's fault, on November 9th, 2009 at 7:18 PM
  • bush’s fault = troll.

    Posted by Mr.B, on November 9th, 2009 at 9:15 PM
  • This mass delusion that green power will save and/or reinvigorate our nation’s economy is just another ruse cooked up by the media, pundits, and our politicians to distract the sheeple from identifying the nation’s real economic problems.

    It might make economic sense to develop green power, but it will not address our nation’s fundamental economic problem–Global Labor Arbitrage. It won’t address our problems with foreign outsourcing, the use of H-1B and L-1 visas to displace Americans from often college-education-requiring knowledge-based jobs, and our problems with mass immigration (legal and illegal) and resultant population explosion (greater strain on the environment, fewer resources per capita, higher costs per capita for land and resources).

    The other issue is, ignoring the environmental benefits, will green power actually improve the economy? Will it be more cost effective and efficient than the burning of fossil fuels (which provide a good energy-return-on-investment)? If it isn’t more cost effective then the “green jobs” are not really new jobs but rather will be created by a shifting of money (and jobs) from other areas of the economy and might constitute a new tax on the populace.

    Posted by Frank the Underemployed Professional, on November 10th, 2009 at 12:04 PM
  • [...] California once more emerge as the global tech center? A recent NPR program explored the challenges and promises of greentech California style. Amid further state budget problems, California’s governor is counting on greentech to help [...]

    Posted by California Dreamin'... or fantasizing? | GreenTech Pastures | ZDNet.com, on November 12th, 2009 at 12:24 AM
  • The response by DonaldB to Bruce Pershke was on point (if you’ll pardon the expression). When I was in the investment business,we did some work that showed if all 240 million cars on the road were electric plug-ins and were plugged in at night or on the weekends, there would be no need for additional power plants except in a few areas where an imbalance existed. Utility plants are not shut down. They are always running. We would use more power, but odds are the net effect would be a lowering of utility rates since the added usage might take certain utilities above their regulated rates of return. You can see more on the climate change topic at http://blog.contracarbon.com.

    Posted by JRivkin, on November 17th, 2009 at 2:07 PM
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