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The Next American Music

American roots music never stops feeding the tree of new American music, even when the branches grow wild.

Fast forward from the Carter Family’s mountain tunes and Robert Johnson’s Delta blues, shape note singing and early Elvis, and the next thing you know you’re listening to Animal Collective and Freakwater, Sufjan Stevens and Iron & Wine.

Music critic Amanda Petrusich went in search of new American music. She found it tangled in the roots.

This hour, On Point: The next American music.

You can join the conversation. What keeps the old sound — of mountain and delta — running through so much new American music?

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests:

From Charlottesville, Virginia, we’re joined by Amanda Petrusich, music critic for Pitchfork Media, Paste Magazine, and The New York Times. Her new book is “It Still Moves: Lost Songs, Lost Highways, and the Search for the Next American Music.” Read an excerpt online at Pitchfork.

And from Marlboro, Vermont, is Robin MacArthur. She and her husband form the Vermont-based indie-folk duo Red Heart the Ticker.  You can hear songs at their Myspace page.

Songs featured in this hour:

“Decatur, or, Round of Applause for Your Step-Mother!” Sufjan Stevens (2005)

“Mississippi Boweavil Blues” Charley Patton (1929)

“Southern Anthem” Iron & Wine (2002)

“Poor Orphan Child” The Carter Family (1927)

“Jack the Knife” Freakwater (2005)

“Black Metal Valentine” Califone (2006)

“I Wonder As I Wander” John Jacob Miles (1958)

“Who Could Win a Rabbit” Animal Collective (2004)

“Locks and Bolts” Margaret MacArthur (1995)

“Yellowbird” and “Jackknives” Red Heart the Ticker (2006, 2009)

“Sherburne” Alabama Sacred Harp Singers (1959)

“White Winter Hymnal” Fleet Foxes (2008)

Closing Segment: “Chinese Democracy”

Later in this hour, we also dip into the new Guns N’ Roses album “Chinese Democracy,” and the headlines it’s been making this week. Joining us for that is Brett Milano, a music critic and author of “The Sound of Our Town: A History of Boston Rock and Roll.”

 

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Listener comments
  • Hope you will touch upon David Eugene Edwards and the bands he has been involved in: 16 horsepower and Woven Hand.

    Thanks a bunch.

    Posted by Shannon-Leigh Greek, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:23 am EST
  • Great discussion. I’m fifty-two-years-old and have launched my second career in music in both building accoustic guitars and also playing “americana” music with my music partner Don Hooper.

    The music rangers from Doc Watson to John Prine. Personally, I like the connection to the past I get from playing mountain music. It provides a sense of continuity with our past yet at the same time there is some real “honesty” with this music that Nashville “Country” lost somewhere along the way over the past two decades as it lost its simplicity when it became more rock and electric.

    Posted by Steve Beckwith, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:31 am EST
  • I grew up in southern Missouri in the Ozark hills, and this style of music represents the raw authentic roots of American expression. I view it as the only safeguard against the CMT/BET/MTV corporate influence over American music culture. This style is timeless and inventive at the same time, which is very difficult to accomplish.

    Posted by Matthew Evans, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:36 am EST
  • Hello,

    Thanks for a great discussion. In my 20’s (in the early-mid 80s), I worked w/ a group of like minded DJs and traditional music lovers to program a 5 hour program of traditional American music. Learning the history of the rich traditions made me appreciate the great skill and diligence these musicians had in their craft. It’s great there is a continuing tradition of this generation finding the same path and discovering the past and creating the future of American music.

    One of your recent caller referred to playing w/ friends. This is another activity that I participate in and encourage kids of all ages to make music themselves.

    Thanks,

    Lou

    Posted by Lou Graham, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:40 am EST
  • I’m a 50 year old woman, wishing for the testosterone-laden music of my youth…some Led Zeppelin, BTO, Clapton, the Who, Springsteen. Most of the recent music is so soft…c’mon guys, plug in!

    Posted by Kim Phillips, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:46 am EST
  • Interesting show… but I gotta say, I’m just not diggin’ most of this new music. It all sounds so precious, so mannered. Maybe I’m just too much of an old-school rocker, but I’m not hearing much passion & energy in these new artists, it sounds too self-consciously precious to me.

    Posted by BPage, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:46 am EST
  • Am a 50-year-old woman wishing for the testosterone-laden music of my youth…The Who, BTO, Clapton, Springsteen. C’mon guys, plug in!

    Posted by Kim Phillips, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:47 am EST
  • Paralleling the independent/Americana music movement is the resurgence of HOUSE CONCERTS.

    These privately held shows allow obscure performers a paying venue and the hosts an opportunity to entertain friends and give them exposure to talented artists in a fun, relaxed “up close and personal”

    The House concerts website is: http://www.concertsinyourhome.com

    Disclaimer:
    I have no personal stake in this website, nor am I a member of Concerts In Your Home.

    John Wolfe
    The Lime Hollow Boys
    http://www.limehollowboys.com

    Posted by John Wolfe, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:48 am EST
  • Hi,

    I just joined the show. I am wondering if your guest has listened to any new Hawaiian music such as MAKANA, IZ,, Hapa ???? they heave roots back to country ,cowboy, folk, and slack key etc too yet are quite modern.

    Posted by sally, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:50 am EST
  • Growing up in the punk and hardcore music scene, I’d been upset at seeing the genuine, DIY nature of that music being co-opted by major labels and bands without a sense of the history of the genre. I grew up with shows put on by kids in their basements or local union halls with tables full of homemade zines and self-produced records. As my own musical tastes have grown to include American roots and folk, I’ve been enthused to see the next iteration of kids adopt roots music as truly DIY. Anyone attending any of these new punk/roots shows can not deny the passion for music and community that still exists. I see it as getting back to the true roots of the punk rock movement.

    Posted by Kate, on November 26th, 2008 at 12:09 pm EST
  • I’m glad On Point is discussing new music today, but I have to say that a lot of the alt-country and “freak folk” (yuck) music that I’ve heard seems contrived and disingenuous. People talk about young, hip, culturally anemic hipsters yearning for authenticity, but I don’t find it here. It’s just another instance of an old form that’s being repackaged, sanitized, and given a hip new paint-job; to me this music is anything but authentic - it’s topical, not timeless.

    Posted by Tim, on November 26th, 2008 at 12:16 pm EST
  • Great show.
    I would have liked to hear more about the every changing qualities of traditional folk and blues music, it’s early evolution and what part of that process is relevant to today. There was a time when the very same song would travel between artists freely without anyone laying claim to authorship (or everyone laying claim)and all placing an individual interpretation. I believe that tradition was an important part of exploration within musical movements and I see very little of it now.

    Posted by Adam, on November 26th, 2008 at 12:18 pm EST
  • This show is focusing on a certain niche in recent music, drawing from traditional folk sources, as opposed to electronica and more experimental genres. The new folk is in ascendancy now, but it’s fascinating the way new pop music ebbs & flows between acoustic genres and more synthetic & academic styles. There is so much going on that what this episode examines is just a part of the scene now. I personally like the influence of tradition on conventional songwriting. Great discussion on the show!

    But traditional can become derivative, and a wave of experimentation is in order. The music industry, and listeners in general, were for a long time looking for another Beatles or Nirvana as huge star, but now audiences are so niche-d, but eclectic & open-minded. And it’s easier to make your own music, & get it heard.

    The most important thing in music is the emotional impact, whatever style. My fave: the incredibly diverse & experimental yet traditional rock-inflected body of work by Robert Pollard, former Guided By Voices frontman.

    Posted by Brian Staker, on November 26th, 2008 at 12:18 pm EST
  • I just wanted to add Great Lake Swimmers to the conversation. I listen to them right alongside Iron & Wine and Sufjan Stevens.

    Posted by Maura Dudley, on November 26th, 2008 at 7:54 pm EST
  • I live in WA now, but someone called in about a band from E. Lansing, MI (where I went to school), Steppin In It. I checked them out on their website and they are great!

    Posted by Connie, on November 26th, 2008 at 11:17 pm EST
  • I think cymbals and tambourines will be useful for the next American Music.

    Posted by musicobsession, on November 27th, 2008 at 1:30 am EST
  • It is pretty astonishing that, thirty years into the hip-hop era, with young rappers and producers making new, regionally based sounds all over the country that draw on everything from the oldest blues traditions to the latest news from the streets, you can put together a show like this without a single African American performer…

    “Americana” has been a synonym for white on radio playlists since its appearance as a marketing term, and the continuing attempt to claim fringe white styles as the real sound of modern America seems weirder with every passing year.

    Posted by Elijah Wald, on November 28th, 2008 at 1:31 pm EST
  • I am a 28 year old who grew up on bob dylan, the beatles, john prine, etc and I LOVE the new indy folk. It is well-known how dylan was influenced by robert johnston, so even if new artists don’t listen to johnston directly (which i have done a bit) they feel the influence and it is very obvious in the sound. There are also some very interesting things going on that sound very new, like “aeroplane over the sea” by neutral milk hotel. check it out.

    Posted by Suzanne Carr, on December 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pm EST
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